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1892 Winchester

JHARRILL@SW.RR.comJHARRILL@SW.RR.com Member Posts: 13 ✭✭
edited January 2007 in Ask the Experts
Is it possible that Winchester made the 1892 in stainless steel? If so how many were made in which model and caliber? Thanks for the info.
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  • JHARRILL@SW.RR.comJHARRILL@SW.RR.com Member Posts: 13 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    OK now about the stainless steel 1892 Winchester rifle. The one in question has a threaded muzzle in 9/16 thread. It is threaded for a Maxim silencer. It may be a replacement barrel as it has a stamping on top with a P inside a circle. Another oval has an upside down T with a W over it. What do you know about this particular weapon? There are winchester stampings on the barrel. It is marked stainless steel on the barrel. There are black spots, like pitting on the barrel. It is in 32 WCF. The barrel length is proper for the rifle. What can you tell me??
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  • JHARRILL@SW.RR.comJHARRILL@SW.RR.com Member Posts: 13 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I recently purchased an 1892 Winchester SRC that has no visable serial number. There is no evidence that the number was removed. The caliber is 25-20. The barrel is 20" and the magazine is 10"
    Can anyone tell me what I have and the approximate value.
    Thanks Joe in Texas
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  • JHARRILL@SW.RR.comJHARRILL@SW.RR.com Member Posts: 13 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have an 1892 winchester 44-40. It has a 20 inch barrel and the button or short magazine. My question is why was the short magazine made and is it common. Thanks
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  • JHARRILL@SW.RR.comJHARRILL@SW.RR.com Member Posts: 13 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a 1892 round barrel 25 20. At some time in it's life it had sling installed. It has one of those heavy duty drill in ones with the screw threads and would make a really ugly repair to fill it in. It has the bottom sling but the top is gone. I would guess they had some king of magazine mount for the front one. Any of you guys know what it might have had and maybe I can find one.
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  • JHARRILL@SW.RR.comJHARRILL@SW.RR.com Member Posts: 13 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Can someone confirm 581990 was made in 1910. Thanks
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  • JHARRILL@SW.RR.comJHARRILL@SW.RR.com Member Posts: 13 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I just recieved a 1892 winchester and was wondering when it was made
    the serial # is 643*** does anyone know when it was made.

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  • JHARRILL@SW.RR.comJHARRILL@SW.RR.com Member Posts: 13 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a Winchester model 1892 carbine in 38-40 cal. The serial No. indicates that it was made in 1894. Since I figure that this was a black powder era would this gun be safe to shoot with modern ammo.? The rifle seems to be in pretty good shape. I know it should be checked by a smith ect. I guess my question is would it be safe to shoot it with modern ammo if it passed that test.
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  • Spider7115Spider7115 Member Posts: 29,704 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What you MAY have is a serious legal problem. That carbine was serial numbered at one time and, as the 1892 was made until 1941, it may not be an antique. Maybe it's worn down and can be "lifted" but if it was intentionally removed, you might have a problem with ATF.
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  • Hawk CarseHawk Carse Member Posts: 4,383 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    How strange. There was a '94 with no visible serial number on another board. The Internet Experts did not reach agreement on its legality.
    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=241891&highlight=1894+serial+number

    I don't know The Answer. Crawl to the BATF with hat in hand, maybe.
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  • Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,281 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hello Joe,

    The first question I have to ask... do you know precisely where Winchester stamped the serial number on the Model 1892/92s?

    If it has "Model 1892" stamped on the upper tang, it was manufactured sometime before mid 1919. If it has the superposed "WP" (in an oval) proofmarks stamped on the frame ring and barrel, it was manufactured sometime after early 1905.

    If it truly has no serial number, it will not be as valuable (or collectable) as one with a serial number. As far as the potential value of yout Model 1892 is concerned, those chambered for 25-20 W.C.F. are the least desirable, and subsequently, they have correspondingly lower values.

    In order to properly evaluate your Model 1892 SRC, I will need to see a series of pictures of it.

    WACA Historian & Life Member

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  • JHARRILL@SW.RR.comJHARRILL@SW.RR.com Member Posts: 13 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    First of all I don't have a potential legal problem. The gun was bought from a reputible dealer. I have a nice Winchester Model 1892 with Model 1892 on the tang and I defy anyone to show me where a serial number has ever been in the traditional location.
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  • Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,281 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by JHARRILL@SW.RR.com
    First of all I don't have a potential legal problem. The gun was bought from a reputible dealer. I have a nice Winchester Model 1892 with Model 1892 on the tang and I defy anyone to show me where a serial number has ever been in the traditional location.


    First, I never stated that you have a "legal" problem.

    Second, I asked the question because I do not know your personal level of knowledge as it pertains to the Model 1892 (and you still have not answered my question). Second question... does your Model 1892 have the superposed "WP" (in an oval) proofmark stamped on the top of the frame ring and on the barrel?

    Third, I specifically asked you to post pictures of your Winchester so that I can evaluate it myself.

    WACA Historian & Life Member

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  • JHARRILL@SW.RR.comJHARRILL@SW.RR.com Member Posts: 13 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The WP in the oval is present on top of the barrel but is not on the frame. I'm not into sending E-mail pictures. Can you give me an average value for the gun?
    Thanks Joe in Texas
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  • kimikimi Member Posts: 44,719 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If your 1892 carbine were in 95% condition it would have a Blue Book (27th Edition) value of $2250.00 down to $400.00 if it were in 10% condition. Give or take, depending on a number of variables.

    In order for anyone to give you their honest opinion as to what it might be valued at you need to give them something like a graded percentage condition. For example,"My 1892 is about 70% condition, overall." With this amount of info they could look in the refernce book I just noted and tell you that it shows a value of $1250.00. The problem with this avenue of approach is that if you are off by, say, 20%, then you have just cut yourself out of $550.00. However, if you can post pictures here, like Bert, the recognized expert for Winchesters has asked, you will get a a professional appraisal.

    Note: The sample values that I have noted above would be for a rifle that has a serial number.

    Now, for the serial number, Joe. Spider and Bert were trying to be cordial and up front with you regarding your rifle. They did not mean to excite you.
    What's next?
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  • Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,281 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by JHARRILL@SW.RR.com
    The WP in the oval is present on top of the barrel but is not on the frame. I'm not into sending E-mail pictures. Can you give me an average value for the gun?
    Thanks Joe in Texas


    Hello Joe,

    No, I can not.

    There are several things wrong with your Model 1892, and without having the opportunity to see the gun, there is no way that I can determine exactly what has been done to it... or give you a reasonably accurate value estimate.

    For starters, Winchester always applied the superposed "WP" proofmark to both the barrel and the receiver/frame ring. The fact that your SRC does not have a proofmark on the frame ring tells me one of two things has happened;

    (1) The barrel has been replaced with a newer item, or

    (2) The receiver/frame has been been heavily buffed and polished (obliterating the serial number and proofmark).

    You never mentioned what the condition of the receiver/frame is, or if it has been reblued (which is what I suspect at this point). Additionally, because it is quite possible that the barrel is a newer vintage than the rest of the gun, exactly how is the barrel marked (both the Winchester address stamp, and the caliber stamp)?

    Pictures of it would answer my questions, and also allow me to properly evaluate it.

    If you really want a $ figure right now, my estimate is $250 at best. With additional information, that figure could go up quite a bit.

    WACA Historian & Life Member

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