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Help identify this rifle

GunswapperGunswapper Member Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭
edited March 2010 in Ask the Experts
A friend brought this rifle by to see if I could help get it identified. I know someone here can do it!

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The stock is walnut, the buttplate and triggerguard are brass. The barrel is 24" long; the gun is 39" overall. The barrel is slightly over 1" across. The port in the underside of the barrel appears to be where you load it, the liner in the barrel is 7" long. The bore in the front portion of the barrel will not accept a .22 cal. cartridge. The plunger ? visible in the port has a teat in the center that I assume is the firing pin. The plunger is attached to the hammer with a screw holding it to the nose of the hammer. Cocking the hammer withdraws the plunger, pulling the trigger allows the plunger to move forward to strike the cartridge. The only markings I could find ia a 6 stamped on the underside of the barrel just ahead of the forend and on the rear of the breechplug. There is also a VI (roman numeral 6) stamped in the barrel channel of the stock. Any info as to maker, age, and value will be appreciated.
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  • GunswapperGunswapper Member Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I recently received a rifle form a deceased neighbors wife. He was an avid hunter and loved building his rifles. This particular rifle is a mystery to me and I was hoping someone could help. The rifle is chambered in a 7mm weatherby mag. The only markings on the barrel are the caliber. The action has the initials PV on the bolt. It looks like it could be an interarms mauser action possibly. If anyone can help identify this I would appreciate it
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  • GunswapperGunswapper Member Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Another picture:

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  • hrfhrf Member Posts: 857 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Do a google search for Zimmersch?tzen or Zimmerschuetzen and you will find other examples: They were for indoor target shooting, and most use the tiny 4mm cartridge, similar to a .22 BB Cap but even smaller.

    Zimmersch?tzen roughly translates as "room shooting" and most were made in Germany.
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  • navc130navc130 Member Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    That exact rifle is pictured in the May 2008 Muzzle Blasts magazine.
    It is a indoor Parlor or saloon gun: muzzle loader, caliber BB (.177) or .22, fired by a percussion cap only (no powder) placed on the teat (nipple) in the opening on the underside of the barrel. The seven inch rifled barrel is held in by the tapered pin and is removable for cleaning. It was built by J. Bandle, 360 and 126 Main St., Cincinnati, Ohio. Patent date is July 25, 1871. Indoor rifles were popular in Germany, but American made rifles are uncommon.
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  • GunswapperGunswapper Member Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks for the input. I would like to have a copy of that magazine article if anyone has it. This rifle definately isn't a muzzleloader; there is no nipple for a percussion cap and the barrel insert is open all the way through. My guess is that it is a 4MM caliber. Is that a centerfire cartridge or rimfire? Any thoughts on value for this rifle? My friend is considering selling it; I might try to get him to list it on the auctions here but would like to know where to start it. Thanks, Gunswapper.
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  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,890 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It's really difficult to put a value on rare & unusual guns. (Rare & unusual don't necessarily mean "valuable".) There aren't that many collectors, & I don't even know what search words would snag a lot of views. The best place to start the bidding is: the lowest amount that the seller can live with. If there are no bids at that price, he can either lower it, or just keep the gun.

    Even though GB is a great place to sell common guns, sometimes a brick-and-mortar auction is better for exotic guns. Have your friend check out the Rock Island Auctions website.

    Neal
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  • hrfhrf Member Posts: 857 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Gunswapper
    Thanks for the input. I would like to have a copy of that magazine article if anyone has it. This rifle definately isn't a muzzleloader; there is no nipple for a percussion cap and the barrel insert is open all the way through. My guess is that it is a 4MM caliber. Is that a centerfire cartridge or rimfire?

    It was a tiny rimfire (the first .17rf?): http://www.sellier-bellot.cz/img/boxes/sb35532-kd.jpg
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  • GunswapperGunswapper Member Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Is the Sellier & Bellot 4MM ammo currently available? If so, where can it be found?
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  • hrfhrf Member Posts: 857 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Gunswapper
    Is the Sellier & Bellot 4MM ammo currently available? If so, where can it be found?


    Email them for info: info@sellier-bellot.cz

    They should be able to provide a list of distributors in USA
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