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Taurus Judge okay - Marbles Game Getter not okay
utbrowningman
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If the Taurus Judge chambered in .410 is legal to own, what makes a Marbles Game Getter illegal to own in the contraband configuration?
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To clarify what rufe said, the Judge has a short (less than 18") barrel, AND rifling. Smoothbore handguns, or any gun less than 26" long & with a barrell shorter than 18" are a "no-no". In these situations, rifling, no matter how deep, is required.
utbrowningman,
To clarify what rufe said, the Judge has a short (less than 18") barrel, AND rifling. Smoothbore handguns, or any gun less than 26" long & with a barrell shorter than 18" are a "no-no". In these situations, rifling, no matter how deep, is required.
The rifling in the Taurus is the key which I did not know. I figured if it shoots .410, it would not have rifling. Thanks for the info.
Model: 4510TKR-3BUL
Finish: Blue Steel
Status: Available
Caliber: .45/.410 (2.5" chamber)
Grips: Ribber UPC: 7-25327-60503-4
Capacity: 5
Weight: 22.4 oz
Rate of Twist: 1:12"
Barrel Length: 3"
Construction: Steel
Frame: Compact
Action: DA/SA
Front Sight: Red Fiber Optic Fixed
Length: 9.5"
Grooves: 6
Safety: Transfer Bar
Trigger Type: Smooth
Order #: 2-441031UL
MSRP: $620.00
Grooves Turn: Right
Any firearm under 26" OAL with barrel(s) less then 18" is not a pistol by ATF definition because pistols have rifling. It does not matter what the gun is chambered in.
So Marbles Game Getter's are NOT illegal if they are registered properly. I could legally make as many as I wanted to right now as long as I do the proper paperwork. A smooth bore gun that is made from a virgin receiver that is under the 26"/18" limits and has no stock would be an AOW. If you build a smooth bore gun from an existing gun that has a stock or will have a stock when done and is under the 26"/18" then it would be a SBS.
http://www.marblearms.com/pdf/GameGetterLetter.pdf
Another page on that site states that a third generation run of GG will commence in June 2010 and cost $1995.
It was my impression from reading somewhere that GG could not be registered to a new owner after a certain date (late 1960'?). The link below is to an ATF letter which states the gun can be 1) turned in, 2) seperate the barrels from receiver and destroy the barrels, or, 3) extend the barrels or reline them with a rifled barrel.
http://www.marblearms.com/pdf/GameGetterLetter.pdf
Another page on that site states that a third generation run of GG will commence in June 2010 and cost $1995.
Correct. IF they are NOT registered that is the case, just like the letter says. IF they are registered properly they are 100% legal. The last amnesty given by the ATF was in 1968 where any unregistered NFA item could come in and be legally registered. Once a NFA gun is in the NFA register it can legally be sold and bought as long as the proper paperwork is done.
If I came on a unregistered version of the GG I would remove the barrels. I would then I would contact the ATF with a letter that states I wanted to "build" an AOW (since it would have a rifled and a smooth bore between 12" and 18") and find out if there is a reason not to. I see no reason you could not "build" an AOW out of one since I can go out and LEGALLY do the same with any O/U like the Savage 24. You just have to fill out the paperwork and have it back approved before starting your build.
So do I need to get the serial number and check with the ATF to see if a particular GG is registered? If yes, then do the paperwork for transfer?
If you are buying one with barrels less then 18" it would need to be registered with the ATF to be legal as is. See the ATF letter you linked me to.
If it has barrels less then 18" simply ask the seller what Form it is on. If he does not know what you are talking about then I would be 99.99999999% sure it is not registered, and if it is then it is not registered right. It should be a Form 4 which is what NFA items are on for private end users. If it is from a dealer it should be on a Form 3 (but buying from a dealer they should know if it is registered).
If you are buying from someone in state ask nicely to see their Form 4 (it is a legal tax paper so even regular LEO can not ask to see it) since it will have all the information you will need to fill out your Form 4 for transfer to you. If you are buying from out of state they will need to send a copy of their Form 4 to a NFA dealer in your state so he can transfer it to him, then transfer it to you.
If it is not registered then consider my post above. Heck even if you are just looking for one you could write the ATF and tell them you have the receiver only and that you would like to buy the proper barrels to return the gun to the original configuration. Ask them how you should go about doing this. My guess, based on how to currently build a AOW out of any other gun, is they will tell you just to fill out a Form 1 and submit it like normal.
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Just as an FYI, I do understand Marbles is going to offer a retro Gamegetter in 22LR/410...with 18 inch barrels and a folding stock. I am not sure who the stated mfg. will be.
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June 2010 for $1,995 - Marble Arms and Doug Turnbull Restoration.