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curios and relics

chowdog65chowdog65 Member Posts: 18 ✭✭
edited December 2010 in Ask the Experts
could the experts confirm or reject my understanding of the fed definition of curios and/or relics. any firearm is a curio and/or relic if it is more than 50 years old from the present date. i recognize there are other qualifying categories for these types but im concerned about the age spec. thanx.
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  • chowdog65chowdog65 Member Posts: 18 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey guy's I recently got my C&R and just purchased a Vz24. Im wondering if there are any online forms for cataloging purchased firearms? I received a booklet from the ATF and it gives an example of one with the obvious, Date of purchase, serial #, manufacturer etc etc but I'm wondering if there is an official one out there somewhere I can download or print off. I want to be to the T legally speaking but I cant seem to find anything online and most of the linked pages to the ATF website are broken links. Anything would be greatly appreciated.
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  • chowdog65chowdog65 Member Posts: 18 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    what is a courio and relics lic. what can be shipped to a person hold one etc.. thanks
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  • chowdog65chowdog65 Member Posts: 18 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a .25cal. LIBIA semi-automatic pistol and have no idea of it's age. Doe it qualify as a CURIO and RELIC? It appears to be a Spanish knockoff of the 1905 Browning. It is marked FABRIQUE D'ARMES DEGUERRE GRANDE PRECISION "LIBIA" PATENT DEPOSE No 69094 WITH NO SERIAL NUMBER. i CANNOT FIND IT LISTED IN THE GUN TRADERS GUIDE.
    Thanks,
    Lenny
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  • Spider7115Spider7115 Member Posts: 29,704 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Since 1968, in order to legally receive a firearm shipped across state lines, the recipient must possess a valid "Federal Firearms License" issued by the United States Department of the Treasury, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (BATF). There are many types of these licenses; for dealers, for manufacturers, for importers, and for collectors. Of all of them, the collector license (known as a Type 03 license) is unique in that it does not permit the licensee to engage in a business, but rather its provisions are specifically designed to enable the collector. Furthermore, the holder of a Type 03 license is restricted to receiving firearms that have been classifed by the BATF as "Curios or Relics." That is, any firearm that was demonstrably manufactured 50 years or more prior to the current date, and/or is on a special "Curios or Relics List" published by the BATF.

    As a result of these specializations, the Type 03 Federal Firearms License is known as the Curios and Relics Federal Firearms License. Abbreviated, this becomes C&R FFL, or CRFFL.

    Note: Some states such as NY, California and New Jersey do not recognize C&R licenses for handgun shipments.
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  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    In other words, you can ship directly to a C&R licensee any gun that is more than 50 years, or any gun that is shown on the ATF C&R list (available on their website).

    To be considered a C&R, a gun must be in it's original configuration. And, it must be a complete gun, not a receiver or a barreled action.

    Neal
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  • mark christianmark christian Member Posts: 24,443 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Everything you'll need to know can be found right here:

    http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/curios-relics.html
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  • slumlord44slumlord44 Member Posts: 3,702 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Your question has been asked and answered correctly. You need to be able to prove the gun is 50 years old or older. Serial # records on some makes and models prove this. Some models ceased production over 50 years ago. Grey areas come up when there are no serial #records and a particular model, for example, started production in 1947 and ended production in 1967. You want to be able to doccument it in some way.
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  • 11b6r11b6r Member Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    All good answers. DO remember that some guns are C&R, without regard to age- they are on the BATFE list- things like all Colt Woodsman pistols, all Winchester mdl 88s, etc. Do not confuse C&R with Antique- separate thing.
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  • dfletcherdfletcher Member Posts: 8,178 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nmyers
    In other words, you can ship directly to a C&R licensee any gun that is more than 50 years, or any gun that is shown on the ATF C&R list (available on their website).

    To be considered a C&R, a gun must be in it's original configuration. And, it must be a complete gun, not a receiver or a barreled action.

    Neal


    A few states, CA for example, place restrictions on the C & R license receiving C & Rs through the mail. In CA, a C & R can not receive a C & R handgun directly nor directly receive a C & R long gun that is fewer than 50 years old. For example, a 1959 pre - 64 model Winchester 94 rifle is OK, a 1962 pre - 64 model Winchester 94 rifle is not and must go through an FFL dealer. Although each is recognized as a C & R the "fewer than 50 years old" long gun is not afforded a dealerless transfer. So checking state laws is important when dealing with C & R firearms. As usual, most states are not as challenging as CA, but there are others out there.
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  • MPinkstonMPinkston Member Posts: 799 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Best $30 you'll ever spend!
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  • hidebuyerhidebuyer Member Posts: 248 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    So what would be the advantage of gun being sent to a C&R license or an FF License ?
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  • 322nd322nd Member Posts: 82 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've just renewed by C&R this month. I don't use it a whole lot but it has saved me more than the $30 cost of the license several times over every year.
    How?

    Instead of having the seller sending firearms to my designated FFL and me having to pay them for the service, I can cut out the FFL middleman totally and the firearm can be sent to me. That saves me $15-$25 per transaction.

    Once in a face-to-face transaction with a seller, he was preparing to charge me sales tax. After I gave him my C&R, he dropped the sales tax. I know that doesn't make sense but that is how the deal ended up and so I saved $25-$30 in tax on that deal.
    Kim
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  • ta812002ta812002 Member Posts: 70 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yes, very worth the $30 for the 3 year license.
    Buy one gun and it has just about paid for itself.
    Just remember that if you know that the gun you are buying is over 50 years old and a seller is giving you a hard time about shipping to you (a C&R holder), fight for it. No reason to pay for a transfer if you don't have to.
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