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1917 eddystone

Dave45-70Dave45-70 Member Posts: 637 ✭✭✭
edited October 2006 in Ask the Experts
I'm looking for some information on value.I have a 1917 Eddystone that was lend leased to Canada but not sure if it was WW1 or WW2.It has the red paint around the forearm the stamp "C" with an arrow through it and also the letters PWOR on the stock which stands for"Princes of Wales own Regiment". They were loaned to Canada to protect against invasion. Since it never saw action it is in remarkably good condition.Some of you are going to tell me to include pictures but I have not mastered that ability yet.Metal is pristine wood is excellent no cracks or large dings.Based on my description can you give me a ballpark value? I don't want to sell it because of it;s unusual history but I would like to know it's value Thanks

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  • Dave45-70Dave45-70 Member Posts: 637 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I recently purchased a 1917 U.S. Enfield, eddystone, in excellent condition. I am aware that there have been problems with the reciever cracking on these, due to brittleness. Is there a way to check these for safety, or they all to dangerous to shoot and only good for wall hangers? Any advice welcome. Thanks, Dan
  • Dave45-70Dave45-70 Member Posts: 637 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Can you help me figure out the value of this Gun. U.S MODEL OF 1917 EDDYSTONE 1257885. IT has small e's on the smaller parts. one of those flaming 0'S and a small P on the underside of the stock.I am posting this message for my hubby whom is out of town so please exuse my great lack of knowledge regarding this gun. I could not begin to describe the condition because I do not understand the proper terms used when describing condition,but I could e mail some pictures that would much better show off it's condition.We are thinking of placing it on one of the auction sites and would like to get a ballpark of it's value. Thanks so much,Janet

    RITCHIE GRIFFIN
  • Dave45-70Dave45-70 Member Posts: 637 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am now the happy owner of a US Model 1917 Eddystone manufactured in Nov 1918 (not purchased through the CMP). From the information I have been able to garner, it appears the sling for this weapon could be a 1907, 1917 web, or 1923 web. I also see mention of a Kerr sling? What in all likelhood would have been the correct issue sling, or put another way, what sling would be acceptable for CMP as issued competition matches?
  • Dave45-70Dave45-70 Member Posts: 637 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Does anyone know if new barrels are available and about how much for the model 1917 Eddystone.I recently aquired a complete, correct Eddystone in great condition but was apparently used with blanks (American legion?) and never properly cleaned, bore is in very sad condition, bullets keyhole in the target at only 25 yards.It's in such good condition I hate to make a wall hanger out of it. Thanks Dave
  • Dave45-70Dave45-70 Member Posts: 637 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    awhile back I bought a 1917 for my young son to deer hunt with,it has been sporterized,looks better than most new rifles and shoots like a dream,I can do 1/2" groups at 100 yrds all day.My question is ,how hard is it to convert it to cocking on opening instead of closing,I have seen a few on the auction side that have been done so I know its possible,the last inch on closing the bolt on this rifle "when it cocks" is hard for me and real hard on my son.anyone know a good smith I might could send the bolt to and have this done without it costing an arm and a leg?
  • Dave45-70Dave45-70 Member Posts: 637 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was given 2 eddystone rifles 95% condition are they worth anything ?are they 30-06cal.?Thanks for any info.
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  • jbw1776jbw1776 Member Posts: 3,056
    edited November -1
    Dave, I see "unissued" original 1917 barrels, still in the grease, listed on Flebay from time to time. Seem to go over the $150 mark. Seen several used, original barrels there too. That would be the first place I'd look for an original configuration barrel.

    Ben
  • MIKE WISKEYMIKE WISKEY Member, Moderator Posts: 9,750 ******
    edited November -1
    gunpartscorp.com also has newly mgf. replacement barrels. note these are usualy torqed quite tightly and will need the special barrel vice and action wrench to properly remove the old barrel. you may even have to cut a releaf grove in the old barrel ahead on the receiver.
  • heavyironheavyiron Member Posts: 1,421 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hi,

    SARCO has barrels and actions from time to time.

    You would probably have to call them and find out if there are any in stock.

    http://www.sarcoinc.com/

    Regards,

    Heavyiron
  • allechalleyallechalley Member Posts: 888 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just asking in case, did you really scrub the bore with a brush and jag? I've had a couple that I really thought were goners, but decided on one last, thorough try and was amazed at the crap I got out of them and how they cleaned up. Not saying you didn't, but might still worth one more soaking and scrubbing.
  • Dave45-70Dave45-70 Member Posts: 637 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Many thanks to those who replied and to "Allechalley" but I think the barrel is beyond help but I'll try cleaning again. Thanks for the tip on removing the barrel. Dave
  • donvitodonvito Member Posts: 38 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would like to second the comment from allchalley. My dad bought me one of these rifles for $55.00 when I was 14 in 1964. the only problem with the gun was that when my dad bought it the accuracy was very bad. We scrubbed that bore and liteally wore out at least one brush getting it clean. The thought of changing barrels was not known to either of us then. To this day it's a tack driver. And that big, strong action -- you can launch mortar rounds from it.......
  • sandwarriorsandwarrior Member Posts: 5,453 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    DBuesching,

    If you can't find an original, Lothar Walther, http://www.lothar-walther.de/html/index.php makes a very good replacement.

    I guess that since I don't really look at rifles as non-shootable wall-hanging items, so it makes less difference to me. But as far as I understand the collecting game you could have a very pristine action and a very pristine barrel that don't match and they won't be worth anything more than a common rifle as same caliber. So, with the description you have given you basically have the perfect shooter, very nice condition with the chance to put a very nice barrel on it. And, it will look original when you take it out to shoot. -good luck

    Edit:

    I guess it's time to work both sides of the fence here. njretcop is right in that by "original" it needs to have the original barrel. At this point it matters most what you want at this time. If you want a good shooter then rebarrel. It may look original but it won't be. If you want a collectors item I would certainly leave it 'as is!' because that is what a collector wants. However, I know enough collectors that will ding you for pits in the barrel(they look at everything). So, if you want collector status of the rifle you will definately need to leave it 'as is'. Another option also is to save the original barrel and if you ever decide to sell, put it back on(by a professional). That way a collector can have the original piece, but you had a shooter for the time you wanted it that way. Do understand that already you have lost a considerable amount of value by what you have mentioned to us. Don't let a collector talk you down to nothing for a good shooter because of it.
  • njretcopnjretcop Member Posts: 7,975
    edited November -1
    My advise is to keep the rifle as is!!

    Continue to clean the barrel to shooting condition. A gun is either in "original" condition or it is not.

    I don't like it when someone says the gun is all original, except for part X or something. Then it is NOT original!!!
  • gotstolefromgotstolefrom Member Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have to go with SANDWARRIOR, but I understand the collectors viewpoint.
    (They cringe when one of us 'idiots' shoots a rare and pristeen weapon...or re-barrels an irreplaceable piece of history, etc. etc)

    njretcop has a clear cut view too ..it is original or it is not.

    Well ...it shoots well or it does not.

    If a collector steps up with 3x bucks, let it fly and buy a good shooter. If you want to rebarrel your gun, it seems you have a good start on a replacement bbl.
  • JabshooterJabshooter Member Posts: 3 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by DBuesching
    Does anyone know if new barrels are available and about how much for the model 1917 Eddystone.I recently aquired a complete, correct Eddystone in great condition but was apparently used with blanks (American legion?) and never properly cleaned, bore is in very sad condition, bullets keyhole in the target at only 25 yards.It's in such good condition I hate to make a wall hanger out of it. Thanks Dave


    Dave I just ordered a repro barrel from Numrich today for $125. It's the only one I've found in a week of looking.I'd have left mine as is but the stock had been "sportorized" and the barrel was very poor
    Regards,
    John
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