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are 22 wrf and .22mag ammo the same?

fmlfml Member Posts: 78 ✭✭
edited October 2006 in Ask the Experts
are these excatly the same rounds ? thanks
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  • Winston BodeWinston Bode Member Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    No!

    Bode
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  • 11b6r11b6r Member Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    No- WRF is Winchester Rimfire (aka 22 Special) The other is WRFM Winchester Rimfire Magnum. WRF is an older cartridge, out of production for some time. Has larger case diameter than LR, shorter than 22 Mag. WRF used lead bullets, Mag uses jacketed bullets. Even if a mag will go into a WRF firearm, don't try to shoot it. Think the term is "catastrophic disassembly".
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  • fmlfml Member Posts: 78 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    thanks ya'll answered my question.quote:Originally posted by 11b6r
    No- WRF is Winchester Rimfire (aka 22 Special) The other is WRFM Winchester Rimfire Magnum. WRF is an older cartridge, out of production for some time. Has larger case diameter than LR, shorter than 22 Mag. WRF used lead bullets, Mag uses jacketed bullets. Even if a mag will go into a WRF firearm, don't try to shoot it. Think the term is "catastrophic disassembly".
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  • Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,281 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by 11b6r
    No- WRF is Winchester Rimfire (aka 22 Special) The other is WRFM Winchester Rimfire Magnum. WRF is an older cartridge, out of production for some time. Has larger case diameter than LR, shorter than 22 Mag. WRF used lead bullets, Mag uses jacketed bullets. Even if a mag will go into a WRF firearm, don't try to shoot it. Think the term is "catastrophic disassembly".


    Close, but not quite correct. CCI still manufactures 22 W.R.F. ammo, and it is made with a 45 grain jacketed bullet. 22 W.R.F. ammo can be shot in any firearm factory chambered for the more modern 22 WRM but not vice versa (the WRF is .10" shorter than the WRM).

    WACA Historian & Life Member

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  • gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    There isn't likely to be any reason to shoot the .22 wrf out of a .22 mag anymore but when the .22 mag first came out the .22 wrf ammo was a good deal cheaper.
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  • 11b6r11b6r Member Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bert- Did not know that CCI was making- Thanks for the info. Last batch I saw was the last batch that Winchester ran off in 1986. Have often thought that Aguilla should make some WRF, and some 5mm, and some 25 Stevens, and......
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  • Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 40,234 ***** Forums Admin
    edited November -1
    Thanks guys! Just come to own a partial box of Super X 22 WRF myself and was wondering exactly what it was.
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  • Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,281 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Oddly enough, 22 WRF ammo is cheaper than 22 WMR per 50 rd box. I went and looked it up, and discovered that Winchester is also manufacturing it as a regular item as well (not sure when that happened). Right after CCI began offering it, I bought a case (I own two Model 1890s chambered for 22 WRF).

    As for gruntled's comment quote:There isn't likely to be any reason to shoot the .22 wrf out of a .22 mag anymore but when the .22 mag first came out the .22 wrf ammo was a good deal cheaper.

    I disagree. 22 WRF ammo offers a bullet weight and velocity not offered in the 22 WMR. Check out the following links...

    Winchester 22 WRF - http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/65110-7806-2138.html
    CCI 22 WRF - http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/63910-8644-2138.html

    Winchester 22 WMR - http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/65132-7818-307.html
    Winchester 22 WMR - http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/65426-7635-307.html
    CCI 22 WMR - http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/63212-8826-307.html
    CCI 22 WMR - http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/64517-8311-307.html

    In all cases, the 22 WRF ammo is less expensive... hence a good alternative to shoot in a 22 WMR chambered firearm.

    WACA Historian & Life Member

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  • glabrayglabray Member Posts: 679 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A quote from the CCI web site: "DO NOT use 22 WRF ammo in firearms chambered for 22 Rimfire Magnum (22WRF)"
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  • Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,281 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by glabray
    A quote from the CCI web site: "DO NOT use 22 WRF ammo in firearms chambered for 22 Rimfire Magnum (22WRF)"


    And they state that for just two reasons...

    1. Legal liability in a lawsuit happy world.
    2. They make more money by selling you the WMR ammo.

    There is no safety concern what-so-ever in shooting WRF ammo in a WMR chamber... it is the same thing as shooting 22 Short or 22 Long in a 22 Long Rifle chamber.

    WACA Historian & Life Member

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