german 22 cal

gun702

hi
i have a barreled action i'm trying to id to see if i can find a stock for it.top of the rec has waffenfabriken,simson&co,suhl,acircle with a triangle with a s inside.l.h.side of barrel has kal.22 long rifle 106514.top of barrel has fluss-stal krupp-essen.there is a lot of proof marks.26in barrel,elevated rear site 25 to 200.dovetail blade front site.it is a single shot.
thanks gun702

rufe-snow

Simson marked firearms would date no later then the early 1930's. From your description, it seems that you have what was called in Germany at that time, the "DSM" ( Deutsches Sportmodell ) . Many different German manufacturers made similar single shot training rifles. I don't know if the stocks were interchangeable? At this late date, your probably going to have a custom stock made, rather then find a original.

Fatstrat

^ That would be depending on how good you want it to look vs. just making it functional. The mechanics of single shot bolt action rifles are often fairly similiar. And I've seen many .22 SS rifle actions fitted into other make/model stocks. Completely functional and if done w/care often barely noticable.

nononsense

gun702,

It might help some of the members if you posted some photographs of this rifle, good overalls and some details of the action/bolt area. Something might just ring a bell. There were so many .22LR rifles being made that it will be a tad difficult to identify it without some luck. Simson & Co. also made high grade double guns, shotguns and drillings.

waffenfabriken = arms manufacturer

fluss-stal= fluid steel (as opposed to damascus steel)

krupp-essen = Krupp, the giant steel maker in the town of Essen.

This is a translation from their company history website:

1854 the brothers L?b und Moses Simson bought one third of a steelhammer in Suhl (Germany). There the production of charcoalsteel began and the firm Simson & Co. was founded 1856. The following years they produced guns and gunbarrels.

1871 the first steam engine started to work. The enterprise established 1896 production of bicycles.

1907 the firm began automobile production, the racing car Simson Supra is famous.

1936 the dictatorship of Adolf Hitler in Germany forced the jewish family Simson to flee the country. Within the framework of dispossession of jewish industrialists a trustee undertook the firm, thereby arised per mergence with other factories the "Berlin Suhler Waffen- und Fahrzeugwerke" (BSW).

In this Jahr (year) also the first motorbike rolled from assembly hangars, it's name was BSW 98.

After the political conditioned emigration of the Simson brothers the company intensified weapon production. From 1939 the company had the appellation "Gustloff-Werke - Waffenwerk Suhl".

The company remained in existance manufacturing motorbikes until 2002 when they declared bankruptcy and closed their doors.

Best.

51PLWelder

quote:Originally posted by gun702
hi
i have a barreled action i'm trying to id to see if i can find a stock for it.top of the rec has waffenfabriken,simson&co,suhl,acircle with a triangle with a s inside.l.h.side of barrel has kal.22 long rifle 106514.top of barrel has fluss-stal krupp-essen.there is a lot of proof marks.26in barrel,elevated rear site 25 to 200.dovetail blade front site.it is a single shot.
thanks gun702
Hollo I have a compleat rifle and it has the same markings as your action if you want I could send you a coupleof PICS of my rifle so you know what the stock looks like My rifle is at abour 85 %

gun702

welder
would love to have a pic,thanks gun702