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winchester model 12 riot gun

ky daveky dave Member Posts: 11 ✭✭
edited April 2011 in Ask the Experts
i just got a winchester model 12 riot gun. i was needing some help finding out the age of it.the serial #1941632. i would also like to get a ballpark figure on it's worth.the barrel is marked cyl.i appreciate any help. thank you.
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  • Ned FallNed Fall Member Posts: 662 ✭
    edited November -1
    According to the serial number you give, the gun was made in 1961. However I doubt it's an original Trench or Riot gun as these were made only between 1941 and 1949 according to the Blue Book. I would guess someone cut off the barrel which negates any collector value.
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  • slumlord44slumlord44 Member Posts: 3,702 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am thinking that Commercial Riot Guns wer still being made then. Possibly could still have been military. Not sure when the military quit buying model 12's
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  • montanajoemontanajoe Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 60,240 ******
    edited November -1
    would like to see pictures.
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  • Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,281 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    December 1962, and commercial Riot Guns were still being manufactured.

    Need to see pictures to accurately assess the value.

    WACA Historian & Life Member

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  • ky daveky dave Member Posts: 11 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    it will take me a while to get pictures. the best i could measure the barrel it was 20" long.the barrel is marked CYL.i appreciate the help. i will work on pictures.thanks
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  • wpagewpage Member Posts: 10,201 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It could be the barrel was a substitute. Had a winchester 12 years ago with a 18" riot barrel. It had belonged to a cop.
    The barrel you have sounds like a improved cylinder...

    Pics would help for valuation.
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  • Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,281 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by wpage
    It could be the barrel was a substitute. Had a winchester 12 years ago with a 18" riot barrel. It had belonged to a cop.
    The barrel you have sounds like a improved cylinder...

    Pics would help for valuation.


    How do you get "improved cylinder" from a "CYL" marked barrel?

    The standard length Riot Gun barrel was 20-inchs and was marked "CYL", which is exactly how ky dave described his gun.

    Dave, unless something is really odd with your gun, it from all appearances is a standard Model 12 Riot Gun (albeit a very late production specimen).

    WACA Historian & Life Member

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  • tsr1965tsr1965 Member Posts: 8,682 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Ned Fall
    According to the serial number you give, the gun was made in 1961. However I doubt it's an original Trench or Riot gun as these were made only between 1941 and 1949 according to the Blue Book. I would guess someone cut off the barrel which negates any collector value.


    Don't believe everything you read in the BlueBook, especially about Winchester's. I would use it more for entertainment, than concrete evidance.

    Best
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  • woodoctorwoodoctor Member Posts: 27 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Maybe take a look under the butt plate for a mark of the agency that once owned it. Mine had the same 20" barrel marked cyl. and was marked from a sherrif dept. in Louisianna.
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  • Riomouse911Riomouse911 Member Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My grandpa had a 16 gauge 2-barrel M-12 set. #1 barrel/forearm was a 28" solid rib full choke, the second barrel/forearm was a 20" cyl choke plain barrel with a bead. Both had matching serials with the receiver, and came as a set. No engraving or fancy wood.

    For some reason he sold the short barrel to a friend of his many years ago, but I have the receiver and long barrel. I'll check the serial when I get a chance and see when it was made. (This has little collector value, it was used many seasons for turkey and deer in Central Texas, I don't think there's any original "blue" left, it's all patina-brown.)

    There were a few (at least one, anyway) 20" barrel guns out there that weren't in a standard 12 gauge riot/police configuration.
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