Estimating Help

Andre H Bloom

Hello have these guns from my grandfather All are WWII pistols except S&W 38 CTG With Charter Arms Undercoverette 32 Pictured together. The Only 2 WWII Guns I know about are Ithica M1911 AI U.S. Army 45 and S&W 38 Special CTG. The other 4 are Japanese Versions off U.S And German Guns I Think. The pictures dont really do them justice cause to me they are in great shape for there age Thanks.

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duckhunter

What is your question??

Andre H Bloom

Just wondering If you can help appraising some or all guns Thanks

rufe-snow

Your Granddad left you a nice collection of military handguns. The 1911A1 would be the most valuable, even with a Ithaca slide on a Remington Rand frame. I would call it in the $800 to $1,200 range.

The Smith & Wesson revolver with the uncheckered wooden grip, is whats known as a "Victory" Model. Value would be in influenced greatly by caliber and markings. If it's chambered for the .38 Special cartridge and has U.S. Military markings it would be worth more money, let us know.

The Japanese handguns are #1, Type 26 Revolver, #2, Type 14 & #3, Type 94 pistols. They all look to be in factory original condition, although the Type 14 & Type 94 appear to be late W W II production pieces. With the holsters I would estimate the would each be in the $300 - $400 range.

perry shooter

Hello The pistols from Japan used to be cheap but in the last 10 years good condition ones with holsters have jumped in price I think they will bring $600.00 each + or-

EDIT EDIT Hello there were many different contractors that made both pistols and rifles during WW I and WW II for the most part all of the parts will interchange between any of the same model. You could take 4 1911A1's from different contractors take them all down to the last part and mix them up and then put them back together and you end up with 4 pistols with mixed matched parts . If your grand-dad was an officer he most likely had a GRUNT clean his pistol along with all the other officers RESULTS = mismatched guns THAT IS WHY all matching pistols"IE all correct parts " bring big bucks Yours is still a nice pistol but not worth anywhere near what a all matching will bring. If you look near the magazine release you should see 3 letters this is the inspector for your frame.

Andre H Bloom

Thanks rufe-snow and perry shooter. big Help. Grandfather said that the 45 was issued to him ,do you think the slide had been replaced or put together a factory. Some of the hosters have the name and rank of the soilder on it. I guess thats a plus. Some one gave me a book to deciver the japanese.
I am in the market for a handgun looking at action sports, which do you think would be a better gun, Ruger Kp95, SW Sigma,CZ 75 b9mm,Taurus 24/7 all 9mm guns ordo you think I should get a 40 cal.Looking for acuracey and depedability.AND Looks I personally like the look or the Taurus.But would like to hear from the experts. Thanks Again

Andre H Bloom

OOPPPS forgot about the Glock 19 its the highest price gun. I would also look for ease of disasembling and cleaning.

nmyers

The 1911A1 is A REMINGTON RAND; we know that because the serial number is in the range assigned to that company. (The manufacturer of the frame IS the gun.) Most likely the ITHACA slide was installed when the gun was arsenal rebuilt. It was definitely NOT installed at the REMINGTON RAND factory.

Neal

EDIT: I don't know how else I can say it. The .45 is a mixed parts gun; it is not "original". Rufe-Snow's estimate is, I believe, accurate.

ADDITIONAL EDIT: My mistake, I transposed the manufacturers names in my original posting. Mr Bloom sent me additional HIGH QUALITY photos, & that makes it much easier to see what he has. But, sadly, I can now be certain that it is definitely an Ithaca slide on a Remington Rand frame, a mixture that greatly decreases it's value. Even more upsetting is that all parts appear to have almost perfect original finish. I think it likely that, during a cleaning session, someone mixed up the slides. There may be someone out there sitting on a like new R-R slide (with the correct marking variation), & searching for it may be worth the effort.

Neal

Andre H Bloom

The slide reads Ithica also ,rufe-snow said that the rand frame was remington. I guess rand means the body of the gun? The gun was issued and carried by my grandfather and he never made alterations.He was a surgon in the Navy. And I guess never shoot the gun much Its practically in mint condition. The other ones where found in the field by freinds they did enclude the sword hericari knife and rifles but where stolen when he passed away. So the 45 should be all original is that correct and made by itica. Is it still a valuable gun I seen models that where selling for 3-10 thousand. Im looking to sell these is why im asking Thanks sorry for the long chatter.

Andre H Bloom

If the serial # is Ithaca and the Slide reads Ithaca Why would you say both parts wherent Ithaca? This is the last unless you want to go deeper.Heres some pics of Searial # and Slide.

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Andre H Bloom

My Luck Dern Thanks for the help MMeyers.