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ANTIQUE ?
MIKE WISKEY
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When is an antique an antique? I've got a martini up for auction that was originaly built in 1881, rebuilt in 1899 and then rebuilt again about 15 years ago. I have it listed as a modern rifle, a viewer wanted to know if I would ship it to Canada as an antique (I told him no).
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=226582635
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=226582635
Comments
I have no idea what constitutes an antique firearm in Canada.
I believe there's no ammo restriction on antiques. Check the regs to be sure.
One big item..we're in the dark here vis-a-vis the Canadian description of 'antique', as well as the modern ammo disqualification, and if memory serves, some juristictions (countries) have a military ammo disqualification.
I'd pass, unless you were able to contact a trans-border FFL that handles outbound/inbound shipments to/from canada. There are some Canadian sellers on GB that use designated US FFL's for such purposes. I can't relate to just who they are, however. Best, Joe
EDIT
Capgun: you said..
"The RCMP letter gets the gun through customs. He said that is standard legal procedure for importing antique firearms to Canada"
So, do you know if a 'regular Joe' US citizen can do the shipping into canada, provided he includes a copy of the RCMP letter with the shipment? And just how does the RCMP letter get delivered to the customs agent doing the inspection of the inbound [to Canada] shipment?
One more question, if I may..does the firearm have to go to a Canadian firearms dealer of some sort, or can it go directly to the address of the buyer?
You may be opening the door to Canadian sales for us if we had some sort of heads-up from folks like you that have [successfully] done it, and can pass on to us the correct procedure. Thanks, Joe
EDIT II
Capgun, notice that I'm responding to you by editing my posts. That will save a lockout when ten replies are noticed by the moderators. Now..back to task..you've indicated that the RCMP letter is what is needed to clear customs. My question:
How does the RCMP letter get to the customs people? Do you have an approved procedure (or at least one that worked for you), such as taping the letter to the outside of the box, or sumsuch? Thanks again, Joe (Please place your response inside one of your posts by editing it-it's the little 'pencil' symbol on the top border).
""""In Canada, antique guns are defined under P.C. 1998-1664. One minor source of confusion for antique gun collectors and dealers is that in Canada, the threshold for antique status is one year earlier than in the United States. (In the U.S. guns made before 1899 are "antique", but in Canada, they are defined as guns made before 1898.)
An Antique Webley Mk I .455 Revolver, circa 1887
P.C. 1998-1664 reads as follows:
The Regulations Prescribing Antique Firearms P.C. 1998-1664 16 September 1998 His Excellency the Governor General in Council, on the recommendation of the Minister of Justice, pursuant to the definitions "prescribed"(see footnote a) and "antique firearm"(see footnote b) in subsection 84(1) and to subsection 117.15(1)(see footnote c) of the Criminal Code, hereby makes the annexed Regulations Prescribing Antique Firearms. REGULATIONS PRESCRIBING ANTIQUE FIREARMS PRESCRIPTION 1. The firearms listed in the schedule are antique firearms for the purposes of paragraph (b) of the definition "antique firearm" in subsection 84(1) of the Criminal Code. COMING INTO FORCE 2. These Regulations come into force on October 1, 1998. SCHEDULE (Section 1) BLACK POWDER REPRODUCTIONS 1. A reproduction of a flintlock, wheel-lock or matchlock firearm, other than a handgun, manufactured after 1897. RIFLES 2. A rifle manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges. 3. A rifle manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging centre-fire cartridges, whether with a smooth or rifled bore, having a bore diameter of 8.3 mm or greater, measured from land to land in the case of a rifled bore, with the exception of a repeating firearm fed by any type of cartridge magazine. SHOTGUNS 4. A shotgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges. 5. A shotgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging centre-fire cartridges, other than 10, 12, 16, 20, 28 or 410 gauge cartridges. HANDGUNS 6. A handgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges. 7. A handgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging centre-fire cartridges, other than a handgun designed or adapted to discharge 32 Short Colt, 32 Long Colt, 32 Smith and Wesson, 32 Smith and Wesson Long, 32-20 Winchester, 38 Smith and Wesson, 38 Short Colt, 38 Long Colt, 38-40 Winchester, 44-40 Winchester, or 45 Colt cartridges.
In Canada, the Webley Mk I qualifies as a status "Antique", as it was manufactured prior to 1898, and was designed to use Webley .455 (Mk I) calibre ammunition. These revolvers were used by both the police and the military in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, and are now sought-after examples of antique Canadiana.""""