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Ivory grips

riverokriverok Member Posts: 60 ✭✭
edited January 2008 in Ask the Experts
where could i order custom ivory grips for a smith model 29. I would like a nice set but don't want to have to pay a fortune? As always thanks for your replies.

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  • riverokriverok Member Posts: 60 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Is it possible to make new ivory grips look old? Papers that came with the grips say to rub the grips lightly with gun oil about onced a month to keep from scrinking and with handling this will yellow them. Any suggestions about aging? Thanks
  • riverokriverok Member Posts: 60 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have an older Colt 45 automatic with real ivory grips, I'm sure they are elephant ivory, I was told the other day that federal law after June 26 2014 that it will be against the law to sell them or transport them or any thing else with ivory across STATE lines. Has any one else heard about this?
  • riverokriverok Member Posts: 60 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    How can you tell genuine ivory besides looking at the grain?

    How can you tell if Colt SAA ivory grips are factory? Do all factory ivory grips have medallions?

    thanks
    Ed
  • COLTCOLT Member Posts: 12,637 ******
    edited November -1
    ...I have not, and will not do this to my ivory grips, since I know they are ivory but Ive have heard this "test" works, from many different sources; maybe someone else will jump in to confirm or say "uh-uh". Other than knowing what ivory "feels" and "looks" like, the following "test" is the only "test" Ive ever heard of. Maybe you can find a Oriental jeweler that would know ([:D])

    ...test*
    ...Ive HEARD you can take a pin or unfolded paper clip and heat the tip to red hot, then apply it to the BACK of the grips one wants to
    check. Polymer or the Tru-Ivory (ivory dust mixed with polymer as a binding agent) grips will melt in the pin point area touched by the red hot tip; where real ivory will not.

    ...A letter can be obtained from Colt that should give you all the info on how a particular gun left the factory, at a cost.

    ...I don't think all factory grips have/had medallions, but then the Colt revolvers are not my strong suit either.Luck...[;)]


    ...* Your on your own dude, I would not do this to even the backside of my ivory grips.

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  • Bill DeShivsBill DeShivs Member Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    DON'T use the hot pin!
    Just post good close up pictures.
  • rhmc24rhmc24 Member Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Since this was posted I did a little test on elephant ivory. I heated a small nail red and stuck it against the ivory. It produced a black burn mark, made smoke and smelled like burning hair. I also did it with a piece of hippopotamus tooth. Hardly any result at all, probably since tooth material is different from ivory tusk.
    Be your own judge if you can better live with a black spot inside your ivory grip or not knowing if it is ivory or not.

    I have some ivory pieces I brought back from Africa about 1949, the source then was the government ivory market Leopoldville, Belgian Congo. I had my Father send me sets of original grips and had native carvers duplicate them in ivory at about $6 per set. Sorry folks long since gone.
  • COLTCOLT Member Posts: 12,637 ******
    edited November -1
    ...rhmc24 quote:I heated a small nail red and stuck it against the ivory. It produced a black burn mark, made smoke and smelled like burning hair.

    ...Thats, the rest of the test I did not remember [:D]...the "hair" smell, only ivory has this smell, not any of the imitations. I believe it is because of the protien composition of the ivory, such as in hair and nails. So....I guess this test does work...[^]

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  • Bill DeShivsBill DeShivs Member Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There is a lot of misinformation here. Any ivory is easy to spot, once you know what to look for. Burning ivory does not smell like hair-though it does stink. Ivory does not have the same composition as hair, nails, and horn-it is a tooth, with basically the same composition as the hippo tooth. Tooth enamel will not burn as readily as the subsurface "dentin"-which is probably why the hippo tooth did not stink or burn.
    Look at a few pictures of ivory grips. There are only a few imitations that really look like ivory and they are much lighter in weight and consistent in grain.
    Bill
  • joel_blackjoel_black Member Posts: 686 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    How do you tell the difference between Ivory and bone?
  • Bill DeShivsBill DeShivs Member Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bone is porous. Ivory isn't. The pores in bone are plainly visible.
  • COLTCOLT Member Posts: 12,637 ******
    edited November -1
    ...Im not a good pic taker at all.

    ...Ivory, see the caramel color running from top to bottom?...thats the "grain". Some ivory shows little or no grain though...most will show some. The grain in this pair is more pronounced than what my photog skills, or lack of, shows.
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    ..Try flea-barf or here on GB and find some bone grips and you will see what those look like. The pic of the bone I have looks wierd and is not too good of a representation, my photog skills at work again.

    ...As said, ivory is slick and non porus, where bone is. Bone will have what you might call grain, but it's not caramel colored...and, well you just need to find a good pic of some bone scales; too hard to explain...[;)]

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  • COLTCOLT Member Posts: 12,637 ******
    edited November -1
    ...Im not a good pic taker at all.

    ...Ivory, see the caramel color running from top to bottom?...thats the "grain". Some ivory shows little or no grain though...most will show some. The grain in this pair is more pronounced than what my photog skills, or lack of, shows.
    SpresserElephantIvory1911Grips002.jpg

    ..Try flea-barf or here on GB and find some bone grips and you will see what those look like. The pic of the bone I have looks wierd and is not too good of a representation, my photog skills at work again.

    ...As said, ivory is slick and non porus, where bone is porus. Bone will have what you might call grain, but it's not caramel colored...and, well you just need to find a good pic of some bone scales; too hard to explain...[;)]

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  • COLTCOLT Member Posts: 12,637 ******
    edited November -1
    [:D][:D][:D]...chit...[:D]
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