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Walther PP Super 9X18 Ultra

PanhandleSlimPanhandleSlim Member Posts: 12 ✭✭
edited January 2008 in Ask the Experts
Anyone out there know is the PP Super can be converted to .380?? Ammo is very difficult to come by in the 9X18 Ultra
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  • rufe-snowrufe-snow Member Posts: 18,650 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There is very little dimensional difference between the .380 & 9mm Ultra cartridges, other then overall length, i.e. the Ultra is approximately .035 longer.

    Since the Walther is a controlled feed pistol with the extractor establishing the headspace. I don't see how you will have any functional problem firing .380's, as long as your using round nose FMJ ammo. Blunt nose hollow points, are usually loaded to a shorter overall length. These might cause feeding problems?
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  • 5mmgunguy5mmgunguy Member Posts: 3,092 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Never heard of a walthers being called a controlled feed. I think the walthers like all semiauto pistols that fire a straight walled cartridges headspace off the front of the cartidge case...so I think the .035 shorter .380 ACP cartridge will be shoved forward and your gun will misfire.
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  • Wehrmacht_45Wehrmacht_45 Member Posts: 3,377
    edited November -1
    Walthers are controlled feed, like many Autoloaders.

    Thats why I have seen people with Glock 20's fire 40S&W in their 100 chambers.

    Now you may need a new recoil spring to do this in a Walther.
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  • 5mmgunguy5mmgunguy Member Posts: 3,092 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ok. I stand corrected. And a smarter man.
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  • Wehrmacht_45Wehrmacht_45 Member Posts: 3,377
    edited November -1
    I know, you don't usually think of them being controlled feed, usually associating that with Mausers and old Win 70's. But if you just think about it, how bad is it to drop the slide on a chambered round in a 1911? If it were a push feed system, it wouldn't hurt a thing, but being controlled feed it makes a lot of people wince to do so.
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  • perry shooterperry shooter Member Posts: 17,105 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hello wehrmacht If the extractor is proper fitted I see no problem dropping the slide on a 1911 type pistol with a round in the chamber if it was a rim fire I might feel different but please explain why anyone would wince . the older Lee pistol rest has a blank that fits in the magazine well instead of the Mag you have to drop the slide on a loaded chamber. I am willing to learn [8)]

    EDIT Hello Wehrmacht thanks for your last post I tried to send you a EMAIL through your member profile but you don't have one[xx(][xx(][xx(] I did read the write-up noted in your post . as I said I am willing to learn[:)]. I have also been called an opinionated old fart by many . All I can say is most if not all of my opinions are from personal experience.Just goes to show that maybe I need more experience with extractors or maybe have just been lucky [:p]. I have one match pistol with between 250,000 and 3000,000 rounds fired in it . I have broken ONE extractor shooting 1943 steel case ammo in a Ransom Rest test. I have maybe loaded between 250 and 500 rounds in the chamber and then dropped the slide in all this time trying to get an extra round in some of the pistol games I shot for yucks STEEL PLATES / BOWLING PINS / ISPC / etc I guess some one was looking out for my extractor [:0] Thanks again Karl [:(][:(][:(]I wish everyone would put email on their profile . Gun Broker does not give out your email address it just gives us a way to contact each other THROUGH Gun Broker.
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  • Wehrmacht_45Wehrmacht_45 Member Posts: 3,377
    edited November -1
    Every article about 1911 torture tests, or someone bragging about their new improved extractor, says that you should never drop the slide on an already chambered round unless you want to knock it out of whack. I have seen it so many times that I cannot recall where I saw it last.

    here is one that popped up right away when I typed it into google.

    http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/tech/reliability_secrets.htm
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  • Wehrmacht_45Wehrmacht_45 Member Posts: 3,377
    edited November -1
    Every gun is a little different. Its a lot like a car. Some go 250,000 miles, and an exact duplicate can go 30,000 and blow. Just luck of the draw, but I have heard it a lot, and these people that have told me, never have a problem with their gun. Personally I HATE the 1911, so I cant attest from my personal ownership. I carry a S&W 4506 and a Beretta Cougar 8040 most of the time. Never could get on the 1911 fan train. Wrong grip angle for me and the grip safety always drove me nuts.

    I guess we are a lot alike in a way. People tell me not to shoot steel cased 223 in my AR, always have and never had a problem wearing my extractor and my chamber is fine. I just clean the hell out of it.

    my email is rdh@iastate.edu. I teach military history, the best kind of course.
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