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ammo shipping
cocoguns
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being new to ammo shipping , what are our options , and by experience what's the easiest method to send small amounts of ammo , Thanks ???
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Thanks in advance for your insight.
DL
No postal mail, air frieght, etc.
Oh, and you have to either have it picked up at a business by the Big Brown Truck *or* go to a local hub. DO NOT GO TO A PACKAGES, ETC. OR "THE UPS STORE".
DO NOT MAIL LIVE AMMO? Can we or can't we ship ammunition? I'm missing something here.
Secondly, and this is turning into a goat rodeo, but I spoke with a customer service rep (I realize the term customer service is an oxymoron today) and she informed me that if I drop ammo off at a UPS hub I can ship it to a private party.
HOWEVER, when I got to the UPS hub, the girl behind the desk (who probably wasn't older than 18) said I need to have it shipped by a dealer to a dealer. [:(!]
Now, do I have to have it addressed to a "business" ?
The UPS hub refused to ship the gun because I didn't have a copy of SA's FFL to show them. I replied that if they had a contract with SA to ship guns, they had a copy of SA's FFL, and so to use that. The clerk replied that the FFL copy was at the UPS home office. I told her to have a copy faxed. She said she didn't know what number there to call. I told her to start with the main number, but she refused. So I told her to give me the UPS main number, and I would find out for her what number to call. She said they didn't give out the UPS main number.
At home again, SA told me to send it FedEx. I found out later that UPS' own rules did not require an FFL to be verified when shipping a firearm to it's own manufacturer for repair, UPS contract or not, as it was assumed that a firearms manufacturer was legally entitled to possess it own products. The local ATF agreed.
The operational application of the compaby's rules, however, was far different.
The NRA refused to get involved (go figure).
The easiest way to use UPS is to go to their website and set up your own account. Set up is free. You can pay for a shipment with your credit card.
Put your shipment (ammo, too) in a sturdy box, tape it up, print your own shipping label from UPS website, attach label, attach ORM-D label,
and then just hand the package to a UPS driver when you see his truck. Or schedule a pickup.
You can save a couple of bucks by shipping to a commercial address if one is available.
"We go through this every time someone wants to ship ammunition. Here is the official code:
How to ship ammunition.
Code of Federal Regulations, Title 49, Part 173 173.63
Packaging exceptions (b) Cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices.
(1) Cartridges, small arms and cartridges power devices (which are used to project fastening devices) which have been classed as a Division 1.4S explosive may be reclassed, offered for transportation, and transported as ORM-D material when packaged in accordance with paragraph (b)
(2) of this section; such transportation is excepted from the requirements of subparts E (Labeling) and F (Placarding) of part 172 of this subchapter.
Cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices that may be shipped as ORM-D material is limited to:
(i) Ammunition for rifle, pistol, or shotgun;
(ii) Ammunition with inert projectiles or blank ammunition;
(iii) Ammunition having no tear gas, incendiary, or detonating explosive projectiles;
(iv) Ammunition not exceeding 12.7 mm (50 caliber or 0.5 inch) for rifle or pistol, cartridges or 8 gauge for shotshells; and
(v) Cartridges power devices which are use to project fastening devices. (
2) Packaging for cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices as ORM-D material must be as follows:
(i) Ammunition must be packed in inside boxes, or in partitions which fit snugly in the outside packaging, or in metal clips;
(ii) Primers must be protected from accidental initiation;
(iii) Inside boxes, partitions or metal clips must be packed in securely-closed strong outside packagings;
(iv) Maximum gross weight is limited to 30 Kg (66 pounds) per package; and
(v) Cartridges, power devices which are used to project fastening devices and 22 caliber rim-fire cartridges may be packaged loose in strong outside packagings.
Part 172 (Marking) 172.316 Packagings containing material classed as ORM-D
(a) Each non-bulk packaging containing a material classed as ORM-D must be marked on at least one side or end with the ORM-D designation immediately following or below the proper shipping name of the material (Cartridges, Small Arms). The ORM designation must be placed within a rectangle that is approximately 6.3 mm (0.25 inches) larger on each side that the designation.
(b) The marking ORM-D is the certification by the person offering the packaging for transportation that the material is properly described, classed, packaged, marked and labeled (when appropriate) and in proper condition for transportation according to the applicable regulations of this subchapter
So, basically you need to label the box on the end as ORM-D inside a square box you have drawn, then print #698;Cartridges, Small Arms#698; UPS illustration using #698;Consumer Commodity#698; (change to #698;Cartridges, Small Arms#698;) UPS hazardous/restricted items section @ 1-800-554-9964.
If you do this frequently, you can buy these labels from a label printing company such as stickers.com. If you do this infrequently, you can make your own stickers and print them out on your computer/printer.
http://www.sticker.com/fragile-warning.html"
I cut and pasted that from another topic,
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=274814