Commercial M1 Carbines

Brass Monkey

I am looking for info on a commercial M1 Carbine made by National Ordance. Does this model use standard GI parts & magazines?

Also do you know of any other comercial M1 Carbine makers beyond:
Auto Ordance,
Arlington Ordinance, National Ordinance, Kahr, Universal, Iver Johnson, plainfield and Erma-Werke?

Thanks Brass Monkey

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quote:Originally posted by Brass Monkey
I am looking for info on a commercial M1 Carbine made by National Ordance. Does this model use standard GI parts & magazines?

Also do you know of any other comercial M1 Carbine makers beyond:
Auto Ordance,
Arlington Ordinance, National Ordinance, Kahr, Universal, Iver Johnson, plainfield and Erma-Werke?

Thanks Brass Monkey


IIRC these were re-welded or cast receivers. Better to buy original USGI guns (Arlington Ord. did not manufacture, they were importers).

IMI made a M1 Carbine out of surplus parts and a new receiver, POS, mine was junk, stay away.

Best to check out the CMP if you want a Carbine.

www.odcmp.com

BTW nmyers can answer your question better than anyone

nmyers

I believe that Nat Ord's use USGI parts, but can't swear that all do.

Erma-Werke only made a .22 copy of the M1 carbine.

You can add AMAC to your list.

Neal

"Believe nothing you hear, & only half of what you see."

perry shooter

Hello also add ALPINE to your list I saw one last week with G.I. parts

Maxx424

From what I have see (only one) it was a POS. Get a GI one. CMP is an option. Fulton Armory is a bit more expensive.

Brass Monkey

Many Thanks to all.

I'm working on a small collection of M1 Carbines.

CMP is helping me a lot. So far I've got a couple of Inlands, 1 Underwood and expecting one Rockola, one Winchester and one Quality Hardware any day now. My plan is to buy one of each from CMP, inventory and fill out the Data Sheets on all of them. Do my research and see what parts are right/wrong. I'm hoping to be able to restore all 10 to the right parts in the end.

It was just a random thought about the other commercial makers. I have a few 1903 Springfield's one of which is a National Ordance. Some of the National Ordinances were cast recievers, mine is forged and other than the action all other parts are all GI, mostly Remington. With this in mind, I was just wondering about another source for GI parts.

nmyers

I hate to discourage you, but, restoring a CMP carbine will be close to impossible. Most have been refinished, many have been rebarreled, & 98% of the parts are replacement. Plus, all have adjustable sights that have been staked, a condition that is not reversible.

Maybe you could come close to restoring an Inland, but most of the others you couldn't. The price of carbine parts is now incredible, & most original wood can't be found for love of money.

Enjoy your carbines for what they are: genuine USGI rifles that have been arsenal rebuilt.

Neal

"I yam what I yam." --- Popeye

Dumpster Baby

Correct on National Ordnance using rewelded receivers. I made the mistake of buying a cheap M1 Garand from them many years ago, and found it had a rewelded receiver and a defective barrel with a tool chatter gouge in the chamber. It was functional but had continual extraction problems. I had to select GI brass only for reloading as softer, thinner brass would stick in the chamber. The cleaning rod in the buttstock was necessary out in the field to pound those jams out.

GUNFUNCO

I had a National Ordnance M-1 carbine. It shot fine and functioned properly. I sold it off a few years ago. I wish I had kept it for a beater plinker, but then I wish I had every M-1 carbine I got rid of in the past.

OleDuk

Neal, not quite true, maybe? ERMA made for Iver Johnson a carbine look-alike in .22LR, another, gas-operated, in .22WMR and maybe a real one in .30 carbine. Never saw the last one, bought 2 of the .22WMR, and have handled the .22LR.
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Brass Monkey

Thanks for all of the info folks. I do have a comment about the condition of the current crop of CMP Carbines.

I am one of 6 ex military (now double dipping DOD civillians) who have bought 22 of these in the last year. Only one so far has needed any parts (mine of course)and that was a bolt stop pin & spring. All had 70 to 90% finish and WWII GI Bbls. 2 of them had the FAT stamp on the stock. The worst measured 2.4 ME. I have seen far more than just the 22 we have purchased. I went to Camp Perry to pick out the first round of carbines we bought. I spent the entire day as hundreds of carbines found new homes. None of them even came close to looking as bad as the discription. No one went away that day with anything but a smile. I believe someone some where has gottena bad deal and I've seen some of those on the auction.

Perhaps I am using the term "restore" incorectly. My thinking is if I buy 10 to 15 carbines from 10 different makers, I should be able to swap Inland parts out of my Underwood into one of my Inlands and Rockola parts out of my Inland into my Rockola etc., so that in the end I'll wind up with several "more correct" carbines. This just has to add value.