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H&R

NordaiNordai Member Posts: 7 ✭✭
edited April 2010 in Ask the Experts
Looking for some help. I came across an H&R self eject 5 shot revolver with hammer. It is nickel plated with a blued trigger and housing. i have spent days on web sites and cannot find this gun. They are 6 shot, 7 shot, 5 shot hammerless....too many serial numbers too little....all nickle, all black..etc. Barrel reads Harrington and Richardson Arms Company(top line). Worcester, Mass. U.S.A,PAT. OCT.4.87.APR2.95.APR7.96.(Bottom Line). Cylinder is stamped 530. When cylinder is removed you can see 01 05 30. I am just wondering if it is worth anything. Like I said, it has minor characteristics that I am not seeing anywhere on line. Once again, 5 shot, break barrel revolver in nickel and blue with hammer. Any help would be much appreciated.
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    NordaiNordai Member Posts: 7 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    who makes the plastic?? thumbhole stock & manlicher style long forearm for these single shot rifles???...thanks
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    NordaiNordai Member Posts: 7 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Can anyone tell me anything about the H&R M1?
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    NordaiNordai Member Posts: 7 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Anyone know anything about this rifle, quality etc. H&R Model 12 .22 US Govt. Thanks, I'm thinking about buying it but am clueless on this one.
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    b.goforthb.goforth Member Posts: 982 ✭
    edited November -1
    you don't say if it is a 5 shot small frame 32 S&W or a 5 shot large frame 38 S&W. i will assume it is a large frame 38 Auto-Ejecting and not the small frame Premier. serial number O 10530 was manufactured in 1894 it is a second model 4th variation.

    AUTOMATIC EJECTING SECOND MODEL (NEW FRAME TARGET LOGO GRIPS)
    (BLACK POWDER)
    1890-1904
    New frame shape and new hard rubber grip panels with Target Logo, Auto-ejecting mechanism, Calibers 32 S&W, 6 shot cylinder capacity, 38 S&W caliber 5 shot cylinder capacity, nickel finish (blue optional), barrel lengths of 2? (rare), 3? (standard), 4, 5 & 6 inches available,
    "IF THERE IS NO CALIBER MARKING ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BARREL THEN IT WAS MANUFACTURED FOR BLACK POWDER"
    Top of barrel markings include company name and address and patent dates.
    First Variation; one patent date OCT-4-87 only
    1890-1892
    Second Variation one patent date marked OCT-4-1887 (year marked in full)
    1890-1892*
    Third Variation three patent dates, Oct-4-1887, May 14 & Aug-6-89
    1893-Only*
    Fourth Variation three patent dates Oct-4-87, May-14 & Aug-6-89 (note 87 date des not have full year markings)
    1894-1896*
    Fifth Variation five patent dates Oct-4-87, May 14 & Aug-6-89, April-2-95, April-7-96
    1897-1904*
    *Serial numbers found on the bottom side of the top strap will have letter codes with them.
    VALUE 100%=$225 60%=$85 For all Auto-Ejecting 2nd Models; add 75% premium for 2?" barrel; add 25% for 4", 5" & 6" barrels; add 15% for blue finish; add 10% for 1st , 2nd, 3rd & 4th variations with nickel trigger guard on nickel finish pieces


    if by some chance it is a small frame it would be a premier chambered for 5 32 S&W cartridges and would be a first model 3rd variation 1897-1898. however i do not believe they were using the O (or zero) first digit to the serial number at this time on this model.

    H&R PREMER FIRST MODEL SMALL FRAME TOP BREAK
    (BLACK POWDER)
    1895-1904
    Small fame double action top break revolver with double top post barrel latch; calibers and cylinder capacity, 22 rimfire-7 rounds, 32 centerfire-5 rounds; Free wheeling cylinder (no automatic cylinder stop); standard finish Nickel with case harden hammer and barrel latch; standard barrel length 3 inches, with 4, 5 and 6 inches available as optional; features a scaled down version of the new frame and double action mechanism introduced in 1890 on the Auto-Ejecting Second Model, does not have caliber marking on left
    NO CALIBER MARKINGS ON LEFT SIDE OF BARREL MANUFACTURED FOR BLACK POWDER CARTRIDGE PRESSURES
    First Variation, patent dates 10-4-87, 5-14-89, 2-23-92, serial number range 01*-15,000 (estimate)
    1895-April 1896
    Second Variation, patent dates 10-4-87, 5-14-89, 4-2-95, 4-7-96, serial number range 15,000*-20,000* (estimate)
    May 1896
    Third Variation, patent dates 10-4-87, 4-2-95, 4-7-96, serial number range 20,000* to 100,000* (estimate)
    1897-1898
    Fourth Variation, automatic cylinder stop same patent dates as 3rd variation several different serial number series that may have letter codes---1899-1903
    Fifth Variation use different font in barrel markings and may have an A letter code in the serial number
    1904 -only
    VALUE: $285 $75 Add 10% premium for blue finish; 20% premium 4", 5" or 6" barrel; 20% premium for 22 rimfire caliber

    which ever of these models it is it is a black powder model and should not be fired with modern ammo.
    bill
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    NordaiNordai Member Posts: 7 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by b.goforth
    you don't say if it is a 5 shot small frame 32 S&W or a 5 shot large frame 38 S&W. i will assume it is a large frame 38 Auto-Ejecting and not the small frame Premier. serial number O 10530 was manufactured in 1894 it is a second model 4th variation.

    AUTOMATIC EJECTING SECOND MODEL (NEW FRAME TARGET LOGO GRIPS)
    (BLACK POWDER)
    1890-1904
    New frame shape and new hard rubber grip panels with Target Logo, Auto-ejecting mechanism, Calibers 32 S&W, 6 shot cylinder capacity, 38 S&W caliber 5 shot cylinder capacity, nickel finish (blue optional), barrel lengths of 2? (rare), 3? (standard), 4, 5 & 6 inches available,
    "IF THERE IS NO CALIBER MARKING ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BARREL THEN IT WAS MANUFACTURED FOR BLACK POWDER"
    Top of barrel markings include company name and address and patent dates.
    First Variation; one patent date OCT-4-87 only
    1890-1892
    Second Variation one patent date marked OCT-4-1887 (year marked in full)
    1890-1892*
    Third Variation three patent dates, Oct-4-1887, May 14 & Aug-6-89
    1893-Only*
    Fourth Variation three patent dates Oct-4-87, May-14 & Aug-6-89 (note 87 date des not have full year markings)
    1894-1896*
    Fifth Variation five patent dates Oct-4-87, May 14 & Aug-6-89, April-2-95, April-7-96
    1897-1904*
    *Serial numbers found on the bottom side of the top strap will have letter codes with them.
    VALUE 100%=$225 60%=$85 For all Auto-Ejecting 2nd Models; add 75% premium for 2?" barrel; add 25% for 4", 5" & 6" barrels; add 15% for blue finish; add 10% for 1st , 2nd, 3rd & 4th variations with nickel trigger guard on nickel finish pieces


    if by some chance it is a small frame it would be a premier chambered for 5 32 S&W cartridges and would be a first model 3rd variation 1897-1898. however i do not believe they were using the O (or zero) first digit to the serial number at this time on this model.

    H&R PREMER FIRST MODEL SMALL FRAME TOP BREAK
    (BLACK POWDER)
    1895-1904
    Small fame double action top break revolver with double top post barrel latch; calibers and cylinder capacity, 22 rimfire-7 rounds, 32 centerfire-5 rounds; Free wheeling cylinder (no automatic cylinder stop); standard finish Nickel with case harden hammer and barrel latch; standard barrel length 3 inches, with 4, 5 and 6 inches available as optional; features a scaled down version of the new frame and double action mechanism introduced in 1890 on the Auto-Ejecting Second Model, does not have caliber marking on left
    NO CALIBER MARKINGS ON LEFT SIDE OF BARREL MANUFACTURED FOR BLACK POWDER CARTRIDGE PRESSURES
    First Variation, patent dates 10-4-87, 5-14-89, 2-23-92, serial number range 01*-15,000 (estimate)
    1895-April 1896
    Second Variation, patent dates 10-4-87, 5-14-89, 4-2-95, 4-7-96, serial number range 15,000*-20,000* (estimate)
    May 1896
    Third Variation, patent dates 10-4-87, 4-2-95, 4-7-96, serial number range 20,000* to 100,000* (estimate)
    1897-1898
    Fourth Variation, automatic cylinder stop same patent dates as 3rd variation several different serial number series that may have letter codes---1899-1903
    Fifth Variation use different font in barrel markings and may have an A letter code in the serial number
    1904 -only
    VALUE: $285 $75 Add 10% premium for blue finish; 20% premium 4", 5" or 6" barrel; 20% premium for 22 rimfire caliber

    which ever of these models it is it is a black powder model and should not be fired with modern ammo.
    bill
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    NordaiNordai Member Posts: 7 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks a lot for the info. Don't know if it's a small or large to be honest. I know nothing about HR. It's a neat little piece, in excellent condition, aside from a missing front sight and I am just trying to get some history on it. Thanks again.
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    jamesjojamesjo Member Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Nordai,
    1 pic is worth a thousand words to Bill.
    Post a pic, and I'm sure he will tell you what you have!.
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