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Russian 1895 Winchesters
TRAP55
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Talking with BertH at the Reno Gunshow, the topic of the 300 thousand Russian contract Winchesters came up. Some of these have made it back to the States by way of Finland (Finn Civil War}, and Spain (supplied by Russia). But there are still thousands unfired, packed in cosmolene, and in the original packing crates, stashed away in eastern Combloc arsenals. Mark Christian has comfirmed seeing them there. They'll never get back here thanks to Bill Clinton.[:(!]
My question is, in WWII the Russians had a severe shortage of the inferior Mosin rifles, so why were these Winchesters never put into service?
My question is, in WWII the Russians had a severe shortage of the inferior Mosin rifles, so why were these Winchesters never put into service?
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Talking with BertH at the Reno Gunshow, the topic of the 300 thousand Russian contract Winchesters came up. Some of these have made it back to the States by way of Finland (Finn Civil War}, and Spain (supplied by Russia). But there are still thousands unfired, packed in cosmolene, and in the original packing crates, stashed away in eastern Combloc arsenals. Mark Christian has comfirmed seeing them there. They'll never get back here thanks to Bill Clinton.[:(!]
My question is, in WWII the Russians had a severe shortage of the inferior Mosin rifles, so why were these Winchesters never put into service?
Just curious..what makes these different than the Russian released '98 Mausers that you can find most anywhere? Thanks, Joe
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Carolina, thanks for the edjumication. Learnt something new today. Best, Joe
I've seen US made rifles work their way back home (Greek M1's). I haven't seen M1895's. Russia wants to make the bucks, that is if there really is a warehouse-full of them out there someplace.
I'm not doubting what MC saw, so there has got to be another reason why we're not getting them imported. Warehouse fire perhaps? Dunno. Wish I knew where to go to get a "bottom line" answer. Best to all, Joe
quote:Originally posted by givette
Conflicting posts here: One poster says "not for import", one poster says it's on the import approved list.
I've seen US made rifles work their way back home (Greek M1's). I haven't seen M1895's. Russia wants to make the bucks, that is if there really is a warehouse-full of them out there someplace.
I'm not doubting what MC saw, so there has got to be another reason why we're not getting them imported. Warehouse fire perhaps? Dunno. Wish I knew where to go to get a "bottom line" answer. Best to all, Joe
Kind of like the rumor a few years ago about new canned Garands found it Korea. NO DISREPECT for MC intended. I'd love to have it turn out and they were brought in.
Here is an excerpt of the regs. ? 447.52 Import restrictions applicable to certain countries.
(1) Any firearm located or manufactured in Georgia, Kazakstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Russian Federation, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, or Uzbekistan, and any firearm previously manufactured in the Soviet Union, that is not one of the models listed below:
(ii) Rifles:
(A) BARS-4 Bolt Action Carbine.
(B) Biathlon Target Rifle, .22LR caliber.
(C) British Enfield Rifle.
(D) CM2, .22 caliber Target Rifle (also known as SM2, 22 caliber).
(E) German Model 98K Rifle.
(F) German Model G41 Rifle.
(G) German Model G43 Rifle.
(T) Saiga Rifle.
(U) Soviet Model 38 Carbine.
(V) Soviet Model 44 Carbine.
(W) Soviet Model 91/30 Rifle.
(X) TOZ 18, .22 caliber Bolt Action Rifle.
(Y) TOZ 55.
(Z) TOZ 78.
(AA) Ural Target Rifle, .22LR caliber.
(BB) VEPR Rifle.
(CC) Winchester Model 1895, Russian Model Rifle;
I edited the list but it clearly states Winchesters are approved.