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recoil control

lee8751lee8751 Member Posts: 9 ✭✭
edited May 2010 in Ask the Experts
Looking at either a Kahr PM9 Micro or a Sig 238 for CC. I know both are small in size but will there be much more recoil with the Kahr over the Sig? I am more concerned about control of the recoil. Any opinions would be welcome. Anyone shot both of them for comparision? Thanks
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  • RCrosbyRCrosby Member Posts: 3,808 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Lee,
    I'm not familiar with either of these guns, so take this for what it's worth.
    In my experience, assuming comparable chamberings, handgun or long arm, personal fit for you of grips/stock will be the single largest determinant of perceived recoil. Other features, including price, etc. may enter into the equation for you, but if it comes down to a question of recoil you really need to try them yourself.
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  • sandwarriorsandwarrior Member Posts: 5,453 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    lee8751,

    Like RCrosby said, how a gun fits your hand is the first big factor. Second is how you grip the gun. You want to hold it like a raw egg. Tight enough to hold it firmly and not let it slip around in your hand but not so tight as to squeeze it. You need to teach yourself to get the web of your thumb/forefinger up high so the recoil is generated 'into' your hand not 'back over the top' of your hand. Your offhand needs support the firing hand but also rotate the hand down so the elbow (of offhand) is straightened. Once you get a correct/comfortable hold, recoil will take care of itself. Keep your eye on the front sight so you can bring it right back to the point at which you fired. This is essential in the 'double-tap' technique.
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  • melkormelkor Member Posts: 191 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have had both along the way. I would skip both. Better off with the Glock 26 in 40 or 9, or get the 6 round 45. If U really want to go concealed get a Keltech in .32 Otherwise consider why U carry ? to punch holes thru folks or to STOP folks. Go 45 ACP I have had almost all the micros or officers models made. I suggest the Kimber Ultra Carry I worked 100% for me for years and thats better than all of them other than the Les Baer which is just a lot more $ and more accurate. But for 21 feet no difference.
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  • tsr1965tsr1965 Member Posts: 8,682 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Either will do what you are asking it to do. Remember, a gun on your person is worth many thousand fold, the one left in the night stand because it it is to uncomfortable to carry.

    As percieved recoil stands, there are a couple factors to be aware of...weight is one, and the alignment of the centerline of the bore in relationship to the top of your hand is the other. The lower the bore sits to your hand, the less muzzle flip you will get, which is how many percieve recoil.

    Practice with it, become proficient, and make sure you and your firearm are reliable in a time of need.

    Lastly, if you are comfortable carrying a little larger pistol, then stepping up to a 45 is not such a bad thing. however, I wouldn't even consider a 40 now.

    Best
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  • beantownshootahbeantownshootah Member Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Apples and oranges.

    SIG p238 is a clone of the older Colt Mustang, and its supposedly actually built on the older Mustang tooling. This gun in .380ACP (aka 9x17mm SHORT) and has an external thumb safety, like a miniature 1911 pistol.

    The Kahr is in 9x19mm luger, which is a substantially more powerful caliber. The Kahr is also a striker-fired design, lacking an external safety lever.

    The Kahr is going to have quite a bit more recoil, but its also putting out a much more powerful round!

    SIG p238
    sig_p238_2.jpg

    Kahr PM9:
    KahrPM9b.jpg
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  • oneoldsaponeoldsap Member Posts: 563 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I didn't think that 9x19 or .380 had enough recoil to even notice. Go shoot a couple of boxes of .454 Casull and you'll see what I mean !
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  • sandwarriorsandwarrior Member Posts: 5,453 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by oneoldsap
    I didn't think that 9x19 or .380 had enough recoil to even notice. Go shoot a couple of boxes of .454 Casull and you'll see what I mean !


    What kind of gun you carrying concealed with that oneoldsap?[}:)][:D]
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  • beantownshootahbeantownshootah Member Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by oneoldsap
    I didn't think that 9x19 or .380 had enough recoil to even notice. Go shoot a couple of boxes of .454 Casull and you'll see what I mean !


    Recoil with .380?. . .not so much.

    9mm luger from a 16 ounce gun?. . .you'll definitely notice it.

    Personally, I find the recoil from the little guns with medium calibers to be harsher than that of the big magnums from big steel guns.

    Its that the big magnums are usually fired from heavy all steel guns with nice soft rubber grips, and you let the gun ride up after each shot. You're generally not even trying to control the muzzle to snap back quickly onto the target with each shot.

    The small guns just offer less surface area to grab onto, and that means the recoil energy is directed over a smaller part of your hand. Not having your pinky finger on the gun to grab weakens your grip and also contributes to unpleasant recoil sensation with the little guns.
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  • dcs shootersdcs shooters Member Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Out of the two you are looking at, I would go with the Kahr.
    It's a 9mm, and right now ammo is easier to find and you have more choices.
    I carry the kahr P-9 as I like a little bigger grip.
    It hides very good in my IWB holster under just a "T" shirt.
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  • melkormelkor Member Posts: 191 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Kahrs have long bad triggers , at least the 2 I have had did. The Mustang Clone sig , is just that, get an Original Colt for probably less , which I had a number of the configs. The New SIg (COLT COPY) is nice, but 380. And truthfuly I do not carry anything that doesnt work well in combat, and I carried a 1911 with my M60 Machinegun, and a 9 mm is just too weak, and 380 is worse. If You are going t go wimpy, get the Keltech little 32 it fits in the pocket , is super light weight, and cam penetrate the skull far more likely than the 380. Get the Kimber Ultra Carry in 45 ACP and be done with it.
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  • allechalleyallechalley Member Posts: 888 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a PM9 and do like it, but must admit my more common carry is a Keltec .380. Recoil is manageable on the PM9, but I do have largish hands, so I don't feel it as much, maybe. Haven't shot a Mustang or SIG 238so can't give a reference. The trigger pull will be different and maybe stiffer on the PM9 from the SIG. Recoil is different to everyone, and type of ammo will also affect perception.
    Practice with the gun will be as important as anything, as you want to be accustomed to the recoil, ect.
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  • BamavolBamavol Member Posts: 966 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    One of the main problems with owning a gun that has a recoil problem for you is that you will not pratice much and when you do , you may learn to flinch.
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