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Tec-9 Open Bolt

jcbrown23602jcbrown23602 Member Posts: 348 ✭✭✭
edited May 2010 in Ask the Experts
Can a Tec-9 Open Bolt be converted to an automatic pistol legally? If so, what are the steps one would have to take to achieve this? I am wanting to buy a machine gun but prices for those are out of this world. Thanks.
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  • tsr1965tsr1965 Member Posts: 8,682 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Have you lost your mind!!!!!?????????

    Posting intentions like that on a public forum? It has been Illegal to convert to machineguns since 1968, and the last time they were allowed to be registered was 1986. You are looking at 10 years plus a big fine.

    Try reading the stick with the NFA scope on it.

    Best
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  • 1fisher1fisher Member Posts: 1,012 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    This was just discussed recently: http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=454665
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  • jcbrown23602jcbrown23602 Member Posts: 348 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Those were only my intentions if it was legal. I didn't know if taking it to a class 3 gunsmith or something and then registering would suffice. That's why I asked. A buddy is trying to sell me a Tec-9 open bolt but I have heard bad reviews about it besides the fact they are hard to find. People say it's just a poorly made gun. I didn't want to buy it unless I knew I could legally convert it. I'm new to the gun hobby. Just started about 1 month ago. Just learning...bare with me.
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  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There is nothing wrong with asking. In fact, when it comes to legal issues concerning firearms, asking first is always the best thing to do.

    You have asked, your question has been answered, now you know. If you want to own a machine gun, you have to buy from someone who owns one, & you have to pay the price.

    Neal
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  • cbxjeffcbxjeff Member Posts: 17,637 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yes, the open bolt ver. is somewhat rare but as you said this isn't a quality piece. Having said that, I admit to owning a few. As for machine guns in gereral, not very practical. There is an amount of enjoyment in just owning some though, and mine have done a whole lot better than the market. Then there is the question of where to shoot them. I have been to the Knob Creek, KY events but you need fed permission to take them out of your home state. Still...
    It's too late for me, save yourself.
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  • fordsixfordsix Member Posts: 8,554 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    repair parts for the open bolt type guns are allmost non existant for the KG9/tec9 guns say no
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  • DRP-AZDRP-AZ Member Posts: 2,318 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Try knowing what you're talking about before you hit "Reply".

    quote:Originally posted by tsr1965
    Have you lost your mind!!!!!?????????

    Posting intentions like that on a public forum? It has been Illegal to convert to machineguns since 1968, and the last time they were allowed to be registered was 1986. You are looking at 10 years plus a big fine.

    Try reading the stick with the NFA scope on it.

    Best


    Mr. Brown, I have seen (rarely) registered bolts for your type of firearm, they (last I remember) ran about 5-6K. A class Two MFGR can modify the bolt or find a spare and modify that bolt, register the bolt as a "post sample restricted MG conversion part" and have a cheap blaster to separate 9mm lead from brass in a rapid manner.
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  • Bill DeShivsBill DeShivs Member Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Until 1986, it was perfectly legal to convert guns to automatic. 1968 has nothing to do with it.
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  • tsr1965tsr1965 Member Posts: 8,682 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by DRP-AZ
    Try knowing what you're talking about before you hit "Reply".

    quote:Originally posted by tsr1965
    Have you lost your mind!!!!!?????????

    Posting intentions like that on a public forum? It has been Illegal to convert to machineguns since 1968, and the last time they were allowed to be registered was 1986. You are looking at 10 years plus a big fine.

    Try reading the stick with the NFA scope on it.

    Best


    Mr. Brown, I have seen (rarely) registered bolts for your type of firearm, they (last I remember) ran about 5-6K. A class Two MFGR can modify the bolt or find a spare and modify that bolt, register the bolt as a "post sample restricted MG conversion part" and have a cheap blaster to separate 9mm lead from brass in a rapid manner.


    You are essentially talking about a registered sear, not converting a whole gun...which by the way as he stated is a POST 86 dealer sample, and only Class II mfg's, Class III dealers, and LE can have them. They are NOT transferrable under NFA laws.

    Mr.DeShivs,
    It has been illegal to manufacture for anything other than Law Enforcement or Military since 1968. 1986 was the last amnesty act, where the ones that were made before 1968, that had not been registered, could be registered, and transferred legally. So yes...1968 has everything to do with it.

    Best
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  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sorry tsr, but 1968 is not relevant to this question. According to Section 922 (o), Title 18, USC, as explained in ATF P 5300.4 page 94:

    "May machine guns be transferred from one registered owner to another?
    Yes. If the machine gun was lawfully registered and possessed before May 19, 1986, it may be transferred pursuant to an approved ATF Form 4 (5320.4).

    [18 U.S.C. 922(o)(2), 26 U.S.C. 5812]"

    Neal
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  • cpermdcpermd Member Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would love to be a mod just for this NFA stuff.

    CP
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