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Kleinguenther .22lr rifle mags

gocargogocargo Member Posts: 54
edited May 2010 in Ask the Experts
Hi again. Anyone familiar with the Kleinguenther .22lr open bolt rifle enough to know whether it uses the same magazines as the Voere open bolt?

I performed a search here and on google/bing and read many conflicting and confusing chatter about the relationship between Voere, KDF and Kleinguenther.

-Ken

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  • tsr1965tsr1965 Member Posts: 8,682 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    My suggestion would be, to go to www.rimfirecentral.com, and ask over there, if you haven't already.

    There are two Voere's...one in Austria, and one from Germany, and they are not assosciated with each other. They both made an open bolt semi-auto 22 rifle.
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  • pikepole20pikepole20 Member Posts: 64 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I own one of the Kleingunther .22s myself, a really nice accurate 22. That magazine should work as well as the one from a Mauser .22 rifle that is essentially the same rifle as well. Look in the Bluebook of gun values to find the Model numbers. I don't have my book right now or I would find it for you. I will check later. They can be a pain to find and not cheap when you find them.
  • pikepole20pikepole20 Member Posts: 64 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    KDF and Kleingunther are the same people. The Voere company was absorbed or bought out my Mauser. If you check the Mauser .22 rifles you will find an almost identical rifle that they made. This is probably the same rifle Voere made after they were bought out by Mauser. I found one at a gun show, however, I had one to go by as I looked around.
  • gocargogocargo Member Posts: 54
    edited November -1
    Thanks for your recommendations, I'm still considering the purchase. I'm a firm believer in having extra magazines and have heard that some of these open bolt 22 mags were not your average find.
  • pikepole20pikepole20 Member Posts: 64 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    For what it is worth, my experience with the Kleingunther 22 is that it is simply the most accurate 22 I have owned period. Mine is a bolt action. I have a Leupold 4X rimfire scope on this rifle that I purchased new in 1983 I believe it was. The cost for rifle was about $350 then. At fifty yards mine will shoot into the same hole over and over with Eley high velocity ammo. You might not believe this, but I have set up empty 9mm shell casings on top of a stump at hit them at 100 yards. Not every time, but enough that my buddies and I compete doing it. Which model is the one you are looking at? Mine is a Kleingunther K22. It says Titan on the barrell and Voere. I have a wood stock, fairly simple grained, no white line spacers or ebony tips etc. No open sights were installed. I think in order to buy a more accurate 22 one would have to spend a whole lot on an Anschultz or something like that. Mine is light enough to carry hunting though.
  • tsr1965tsr1965 Member Posts: 8,682 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by pikepole20
    For what it is worth, my experience with the Kleingunther 22 is that it is simply the most accurate 22 I have owned period. Mine is a bolt action. I have a Leupold 4X rimfire scope on this rifle that I purchased new in 1983 I believe it was. The cost for rifle was about $350 then. At fifty yards mine will shoot into the same hole over and over with Eley high velocity ammo. You might not believe this, but I have set up empty 9mm shell casings on top of a stump at hit them at 100 yards. Not every time, but enough that my buddies and I compete doing it. Which model is the one you are looking at? Mine is a Kleingunther K22. It says Titan on the barrell and Voere. I have a wood stock, fairly simple grained, no white line spacers or ebony tips etc. No open sights were installed. I think in order to buy a more accurate 22 one would have to spend a whole lot on an Anschultz or something like that. Mine is light enough to carry hunting though.


    If you read the original post and some of the subsequent ones, you would know he has the open bolt semi-automatic one, but he has not said which Veore it was made by. Yes there is two distinctly different Voere's, if you had read my post. One from Austria, and one from Germany. They both made semi-automatic 22LR rifles, in both closed bolt, and open bolt. Once again, these are two DIFFERENT companies, not two locations of the same one, from what I understand.The following is from the blue book...

    quote:VOERE (AUSTRIA)
    Current manufacturer established during 1965, and located in Kufstein, Austria. No current U.S. importation.
    Voere of Austria is not associated with Voere (Germany), which was absorbed by Mauser-Werke subsequent to the Voere (Germany) bankruptcy. Voere manufactures a complete line of quality rimfire semi-auto and centerfire bolt-action/semi-auto rifles. Their caseless ammunition released in 1991 was a unique step in the development of ammunition. More information on this trademark, including current models, U.S. availability, and U.S. pricing, can be obtained by contacting the company directly (see Trademark Index for information).


    quote:VOERE (GERMAN)
    Previous manufacturer located in Vohrenvach, Germany. Voere was absorbed by Mauser-Werke circa 1986, and most of the company machinery was moved to Oberndorf during that time. Voere of Germany should not be confused with the current Austrian firm of the same name. Voere of Germany manufactured a wide variety of rifles in many configurations, including both bolt action and semi-auto (closed and open bolt) .22 cal. rifles. Bolt action centerfire rifles were also produced in many styles and calibers, including some private label contracts with such firms as Shikar, Frankonia, Akah, and others. While not considered as highly collectible today, most German Voere rifles were noted for their quality craftsmanship and above-average accuracy. Secondary values today depend on the desirability of the rifle configuration (stock design, finish, caliber, etc.) and original condition, but most .22 cal. rifles sell in the $125 - $300 range, while centerfire rifles are typically priced in the $225 - $375 range, if complete with magazines.


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  • pikepole20pikepole20 Member Posts: 64 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    My error, when I read the first post it escaped me that he was quizzing about a semiauto. I realized that later. These are/were two companies that totally different. I do believe that if the rifle is a Kleingunther, then it is the Voere company from Germany and not Austria. When I purchased my Kleingunther the rifles came from Germany I believe. Thanks, Mike
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