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Educate me, HK 91 info
skyfish
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I always wanted a HK91, now I've been looking and understand the German made ones(I think) but, what's a PTR 91, then I saw a CEMTE, also did Sako make some HK91's as well. Was this built in other countries like the FAL and its counterparts.
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If you want a 91, get either a real HK or a JLD... if you feel lucky, you may get a good CETME from Century, but their quality is a bit hit and miss...
The ejectors in PTR guns are FMP or German surp. The ejector springs are barely needed and the gun will run fine without them. I dare say their breakage wouldn't even be noticed. The CARRIER levers the ejector lever into position, not the spring, it only assists in returning it to it's rest position.
Never seen a broken weld on a PTR. Ever. Cocking handles are pretty solid, actually more solid than the cheaper castings of German or FMP.
Either you're a shill for the Toad Bailey "name du jour" cartel, or you are speaking from a position of utter ignorance.
(Or more than likely, you're just repeating BS you see other self-anointed "experts" on the Intardnet yap about incessantly)
Oh, FYI, I've been building HK types for 12 years, so I'll put my skillset up against anyone who's vaunted opinion you're repeating for all of our viewing pleasure.
My biggest complaint with the PTRs has been the cheapness of the finish, they powdercoat the barreled actions, metal endcaps and that's it. Real German/FMP/Greek/even * guns have partially painted mag catch, painted mag release button, partially painted trigger, etc...it seemed they cheap out a bit on the finish.
Their US parts are better than anything the Bailey's could ever hope to produce in their wildest dreams.
D.
As for the ejector springs, you are correct. I mis-spoke. I meant extractor springs. They need to be pretty tight in these guns, and I do re-tension them now and then but after awhile they just plain need to be replaced to keep the gun functioning well. That's not something I read, it's something I learned first hand. After awhile the ejectors do start getting upset in the area that the carrier contacts them, and then they tend to not rise up enough to get a good bite on the rim. Now when it just starts I'll swage the metal back into place with a ball-peen, but soon it needs to be welded up and ground, and sooner or later replaced. Oh, and sometimes they just break. Didn't read about this, dealt with it dozens of times. Our last PTR receiver went back for cracks 4 times now, and it's no longer being warrantied. I also have in my junk safe 2 cracked cetme's and a cracked Century Arms receiver. All with 30-50000 rounds through them, but I assure you they do crack. And f.y.i.. I recently took out HK line off the firing line altogether. To much maintenance. We run FAL .308's now and have great luck with them. I replace firing pins and bolts and extractors and that's about it. Finally cracked a receiver on our Israeli model, but it was on it's third barrel since I've been there so I think we got our money out of it.
You will see I make few post's here. This forum is Ask the experts, and I will never comment on something I don't have plenty of first hand knowledge of. I'm no expert on all guns and I'll be the first to admit that, but I do have some unique insight on some things and my posts are worth considering. certainty not utter ignorance.
Although I'm perhaps not the most talented gunsmith on the planet, I have been fortunate enough the last few years to be one of the luckiest. I'm currently the in-house gunsmith at a very busy public shooting range. We have approximately 70 rental guns out for public use daily, and hundreds of gallery customers on a busy weekend shooting them. It is my job to keep the guns on the line and functioning, and to keep them safe. To give you an idea of the volume we do, we put out a new Vector arms short 91 model and we figure it went through at least 3000 rounds on it's first holiday weekend. In fact we do so much volume that some manufacturers won't believe some of the problems I report until months later when others start to run into them, or until I send them pictures or explain our situation. So we're all still learning I hope, and I have learned that when some guns shoot tens of thousands of rounds in short order, they hold up differently then when they are shot the same amount over the course of a couple of years.
As for the ejector springs, you are correct. I mis-spoke. I meant extractor springs. They need to be pretty tight in these guns, and I do re-tension them now and then but after awhile they just plain need to be replaced to keep the gun functioning well. That's not something I read, it's something I learned first hand. After awhile the ejectors do start getting upset in the area that the carrier contacts them, and then they tend to not rise up enough to get a good bite on the rim. Now when it just starts I'll swage the metal back into place with a ball-peen, but soon it needs to be welded up and ground, and sooner or later replaced. Oh, and sometimes they just break. Didn't read about this, dealt with it dozens of times. Our last PTR receiver went back for cracks 4 times now, and it's no longer being warrantied. I also have in my junk safe 2 cracked cetme's and a cracked Century Arms receiver. All with 30-50000 rounds through them, but I assure you they do crack. And f.y.i.. I recently took out HK line off the firing line altogether. To much maintenance. We run FAL .308's now and have great luck with them. I replace firing pins and bolts and extractors and that's about it. Finally cracked a receiver on our Israeli model, but it was on it's third barrel since I've been there so I think we got our money out of it.
You will see I make few post's here. This forum is Ask the experts, and I will never comment on something I don't have plenty of first hand knowledge of. I'm no expert on all guns and I'll be the first to admit that, but I do have some unique insight on some things and my posts are worth considering. certainty not utter ignorance.
Well said!
That definitely puts you above 99.999% of the posters on the Intardnet.
Cracks in anything made by Century do not surprise me in the least, all their receivers for the HK types are either goofy cast aluminum, or junky out-of-spec Hesse made crap.
The ejector thing is definitely odd. My FA HK G3s and G3Ks have had no such issues in 10s of thousands of rounds of PD demos. Perhaps PTR/JLD bought some * or Turk ones thinking they would save some money.
Been building FALs since 1995 and in my 3 FA ones I've replaced an extractor...since 99. I had a hard chrome fetish for years, and chromed the internals, bolt, carrier etc...word of advices, never chrome extractors. On a FAL a chromed extractor results in 2 shot burst and failure to go into battery, I never figured out why, I just chagned the extractor to a parked one and it ran fine since.
D.