M16 vs Stoner..............

bgjohn

What are the differences?
JM[?]

bobski

stoner....genius. more versitile.

Mooseyard

No comparison at all. The Stoner was a versitile platform that could be converted from bottom mag fed to top mag fed to belt-fed. It was more of a light machine gun than a battle rifle. Look at the Robinson Arms M96 for an idea of the Stoner.

tsr1965

The Stoner could be considered ahead of its time. It was basically a modular type system back then of what we strive for today. It could be changed into many different(as described in a previous post) forms of Whip *.

bgjohn

Is it the same as the SR-25?
JM[?]

givette

The Stoners I remember seeing in Vietnam had a "flip-up" to load the belt, and inside the "flip-up" was a reciprocating ratchet assembly like the M-60 to pull the belt into the gun during firing. Joe

Mk 19

quote:Is it the same as the SR-25?
No, the guys are talking about the Stoner 63, here is a bit more info for you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoner_63
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV6WHA2efm4

bgjohn

quote:Originally posted by Mk 19
quote:Is it the same as the SR-25?
No, the guys are talking about the Stoner 63, here is a bit more info for you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoner_63
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV6WHA2efm4


Very informative, thanks.
JM

Wehrmacht_45

During the SAWS (Small Arms Weapons Study), the Marines actually wanted the Stoner instead of the M 16. I wish they would have got it.

magicmanml2

so where does the AR-180 come in

Wolf.

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I believe the Stoner, during the Viet Nam war, had the capability of accepting a box-like magazine holding about 300 rounds. The Stoner, so equipped, was still a one-man carry weapon and was used successfully for offensive insertions and encounters and defensively during withdrawals and retreats, often to lay down suppressing fire. Seal teams used it, I believe, moreso than "regular" ground forces. I'm not sure that even the US Army Special Forces teams used it.

I believe the Stoner looks like and provided similar capability as the current Squad Automatic Weapon (SAW), which, if they are not the same weapon, then certainly the SAW evolved from the Stoner.

Someone more familiar than I am......please chime in.

Wehrmacht_45

quote:Originally posted by magicmanml2
so where does the AR-180 come in


Armalite sold the AR15 to Colt in about 1958. When the AR15 hit, Armalite only got a little bit of the money. It saw that the aluminum forging was beyond the capability of many third world nations and introduced a stamped metal design, the AR18. It used a short stroke piston setup, but had an AR bolt. It found few takers as most nations either already had the AK or the AR, and several could not buy it because they has U.S. defense aid contracts.

dcs shooters

And Eugene Stoner designed them all[:D]

sandwarrior

The stoner was a great concept rife but needed more development. It was modular in concept just like the AR-15. Except it could do all the other things a n AR couldn't. Belt fed or big box mag fed as well as standard mag fed is a great idea but it takes time to work out each issue. Since the AR-15/M16 was already on line Defense Secretary Macnamara decided to can any further development. He was a crucial factor in not being more successful in Vietnam. Seeing past his glasses and his numbers was not his forte.