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winchester 1894 takedowns
dane62
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recently at a firearms auction i saw a couple of sets of 94 takedowns in different calibers.can front ends be changed on these without changing cartridge guides?ie.25-35and 30wcf,38-55and 30wcf?
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The 25-35 W.C.F. is a 30 W.C.F. necked down to .257, and the 32 W.S. is a 30 W.C.F. necked up to .321. The 32-40 is a squeezed down 38-55.
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That is not correct. While it is true that the rim diameters are all the same, the different bullet diameters use different cartridge guides. The only two M1894 calibers that use the same cartridge guide are the .32-40 and .32 Winchester Special. The .38-55, .25-35, and .30WCF each has its own unique cartridge guide. In some cases, a gun with the wrong cartridge guide will feed somewhat reliabily, that is often not the case. When changing calibers, the guides should be changed also except for the .32-40 .32 Special case as mentioned above.
Once again, you do not know what you are talking about[V]. Winchester manufactured many Model 1894 two barrel sets in 38-55 and 30 W.C.F., and they do not require changing the cartridge guide. If you would like, I will quote serial numbers from the factory ledgers. The most common two barrel sets were made with a 38-55 and 30 W.C.F. barrel.
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As to cartridge guides, it is a fact that only the .32-40 and .32-Special used the same guide. Each other caliber had a unique guide. Don't believe me, consult the references that you claim to have. Oh that's right, they are all full of incorrect information. Better yet, get one of each caliber out of your collection and disassemble them and compare.
It is YOU, sir, who do not know what you are talking about. It is tiring to see you respond to every Winchester question as if you are the ultimate authority, often giving incorrect information just as you have in this case. It is very juvenile of you to always put down anyone who dares to hold your feet to the fire when they to disagree with you. Grow up. It is obvious that you do not have nearly the level of knowledge or experience that you try to make others think you have. You need to broaden your "research" a little and be willing to learn from others once in awhile.
As to cartridge guides, it is a fact that only the .32-40 and .32-Special used the same guide. Each other caliber had a unique guide. Don't believe me, consult the references that you claim to have. Oh that's right, they are all full of incorrect information. Better yet, get one of each caliber out of your collection and disassemble them and compare.
I am not going to argue with a FOOL, and you most certainly fit that description to a "T". You have exactly zero credibilty with me, and if you persist in continuing to post incorrect information and attacking me personally, I will delete every single post you make. If you continue, or complain about it further, I will have your profile permanently blocked.
Now, in answer to my level of "research", you might want to take a look at the factory ledgers for the following serial numbers (these are just the first (10) serial numbers in the factory ledgers that are multi-barrel takedown sets). Each of the serials listed below is a two-barrel set in 38-55/30 W.C.F.
1. 7482
2. 9043
3. 15430
4. 21538
5. 22563
6. 22995
7. 27264
8. 37607
9. 40728
10. 47144
The first two-barrel sets that were not a 38-55/30 W.C.F. combo is serial 51668 and 51707, which are both 25-35 W.C.F./32-40 sets.
Winchester made exactly (118) Model 1894 multi-barrel Takedown rifle sets in the first 343888 serial numbers. Serial 343888 is the last one listed in the surviving records, and it is a 30 W.C.F./32 W.S. two-barrel set.
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I am very sorry that your post has turned into a such negative and counter-productive topic. If you would like accurate, researched, information concerning the Model 1894 two-barrel Takedown sets, please send me a PM and I will forward you a copy of the survey the Cody Firearms Museum staff conducted detailing them.
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What is the differance between a 94 takedown and a model 55 takedown? I have a 55 takedown in 30-30 built in the late 30s. I've never owned a takedown 94, but the 55 looks identicle to what I've seen. Color me confused, I thought 55 was the model # for a 94 takedown after 1924.
Thank you.
W.D.
I have a line on an old one I've been trying to get my hands on for 3 years.
Bert,
What is the differance between a 94 takedown and a model 55 takedown? I have a 55 takedown in 30-30 built in the late 30s. I've never owned a takedown 94, but the 55 looks identicle to what I've seen. Color me confused, I thought 55 was the model # for a 94 takedown after 1924.
Thank you.
W.D.
Hello W.D.,
As it applies to the receiver frame, there is no difference between a Model 94 and a Model 55 Takedown. Yes, the Model 55 was essentially the Takedown Sporting Rifle that replaced the Model 94 Takedown Sporting Rifle circa 1924 (though there were a few Model 94s made up through the late 1920s).
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Are the old Marlin lever takedowns also interchangable ?
I have a line on an old one I've been trying to get my hands on for 3 years.
Hello Pete,
I can't answer your question as I do not know much about the Marlin lever-actions. That said, my educated guess tells me that because Winchester's Model 1894 was manufactured with interchangeable barrel sets, that Marlin most likely did the same thing. Hopefully somebody who owns one will chime in. You might also consider starting a new topic with your question though (to get more exposure).
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