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C&R License
fn49fan
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Once you apply for a C&R license, how long does it take to get one.
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Better to have and not need, than need and not have.
Larry
Is getting a C&R license worth the effort? It costs $30 for 3 years, (and I've had to pay a local FFL holder $25 for just 1 gun). That obviously tells me that it is a good investment money wise, but are there possible problems that I'd be setting myself up for? Are there paperwork hassles, bureaucratic bothers, or other harrassments that go along with it, or is it relatively painless to have and use the C&R license?
Current C&R holders please reply. I welcome your stories, good and bad, and any other input.
Thanks,
Rareblair
IF IT AIN'T DONE RIGHT, IT AIN'T DONE YET!!!
Rickster
Model 418's have been out of print for probably 50 years now. Strikes me if your wanting one so badly, it would be best if you got a local 01 to order for you, using his license.
These stumbling blocks will be augmented (quite nicely, I'm sure) with successful purchases using your C&R certificate.
In the grand scheme of things, you will come out ahead. Way ahead. Keep 'da faith, Bro!!!
The Beretta 418, according to S. Fjestad's Blue Book of Gun Values, was manufactured until 1961. So, not all 418's are C&R. You didn't tell us that you offered both FFL's a photocopy of some standard gun reference book that explains how to tell the age, so I have to assume that you left that up to the seller. Under these circumstances, I wouldn't ship it to you, either. (And I HAVE a C&R, so I'm sympathetic.)
Even if it CAN easily be proven that a handgun is a C&R & is legal in your state, not all FFL's have daily pickup by UPS or Fedex, so they may have to drive to some distant city in order to ship from the required Customer Service Counter. Or, maybe they've had prior grief from a C&R holder who didn't believe that the FFL couldn't ship a handgun directly to him by US Mail.
I've refused to bid on many guns that EVERYONE knows are C&R's when the seller insisted on shipping to an FFL only. Frustrating, but it's his business & he can set any rules he wants. And, I can take my business elsewhere, which I do. I won't do as Rufe suggests; the dealers in my area charge a minimum of $50, & I'm just not willing to pay that.
Neal
EDIT very informative answers to your post I now understand the other view point better. I thought most dealers had UPS set up to pick up packages as well as delivery from their suppliers. So I "assumed[:I][:o)]"it would be easier to ship UPS then go to the post office and wait in line to ship. I guess the cost of shipping would be more of an issue on low cost pistols I did not realize C&R pistols could be had for "say $100.00" I guess this points out why one should ask questions BEFORE bidding on ANY item that you feel is C&R to find out if the seller will ship to you . Real eye opener
I have a C&R License from the ATF and I find it so hard sometimes to get an FFL dealer to give me the time of day[V]. Twice now I've located Beretta 418 pistols for sale. Both were manufactured more than 50 years ago and even though not listed by name, fall under the ATF description of any firearm manufactured 50 years before this current date are C&R qualified, yet the sellers treat my C&R License as if it's the kiss of death[xx(]. I just don't understand it, isn't my American dollars just as good as the next guys[?] I sure don't want to get them or myself into trouble with the ATF, but after reading the do's and don'ts of owning a C&R License, I know I'm right on this one[:D]. Now if I can just get the Dealers to recognize this[;)].
Unfortunately, some dealers (and gun owners) treat what they don't know the way the human body treats an unknown protein - they immediately reject it. Add to that the FFLs make their living with a regulatory sword over their head and it's not surprising. So in theory, you are correct - but I understand the FFL dealer's concern. Their license literally puts bread on the table.
I've found the best way to use the C & R is by buying out of state with a dealer I know. And by sending it to the larger mail order sellers - Saamco, SARCO, Gibson, J & G, etc. They have enough experience with the C & R types to know when it can be used.
If the difficulty you experience is face to face with your own FFL dealer, polite persistence pays off. After a while - and with you spending enough $$$ in general - they'll open up a bit.
If you buy on line from a seller who isn't an FFL, well they often times just don't know what a C & R FFL is. You can explain it, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't - such is life.
I have had several do exactly that.
If they don't want to ship to a C&R, don't buy from them. It really is that easy. I save enough in one purchase here to pay for the permit, then the rest I buy over 3 years are gravy.
As a good friends grandfather used to say, "If it won't make a nickels worth of difference 20 years from now, there is no point in getting your bowels in an uproar today."
I've had that happen. Oh the anguish when the buyer finds out that he will be paying $60 for me to ship his $100 pistol, something that would have cost just $6 to send via Priority Mail as a dealer/dealer transaction. Couple that with the fact that I have to do a 50 mile round trip to the UPS depot (my contract station will handle long guns but not handguns) rather than ten munutes to the Post Office and this makes me reluctant to send handguns to C&R holders. The state law issues already mentioned further complicate matters. I have no problems taking a C&R for long guns, and actually prefer them since the buyer does not have to waste time tracking down an FFL dealer to handle the shipment, but handguns to C&R holders have nearly always proved to be trouble for me.