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C&R Question

bill2740bill2740 Member Posts: 886 ✭✭✭✭
edited January 2014 in Ask the Experts
I've got a m-92 win. up for auction here (#46161756) that has been copletely rebuilt but to all original spec's. it this still c&r transferable. A potential bidder wants to know. thanks.
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  • bill2740bill2740 Member Posts: 886 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Is a Colt SAA, 2nd Generation, manufactured before 1962 considered
    C&R?
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  • bill2740bill2740 Member Posts: 886 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have looked and am unable to find the answer to this question.
    Can a C&R lincensee in the state of CT receive C&R eligible handguns or are they precluded under the state law of CT?
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  • bill2740bill2740 Member Posts: 886 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    got a stevens model 620 12 guage pump shotgun that is marked stevens browning. united states property on the receiver and barrel. trying to sell it on the web sight. this, in my opinion should be a c&r gun. since it was made in wartime and is marked U.S. need to know if it is or not? any help would be appreciated. keep in mind that just because a gun is over 50 years old, does not make it a c&r. thanks
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  • bill2740bill2740 Member Posts: 886 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I applied back in early March. Two weeks ago I received a letter saying my application was being processed. A couple of days later I received my packet of books and letter of congratulations that I had been approved for the license but I still have not received the actual license yet. Does this sound normal or do I need to call them tomorrow?

    Thanks,
    Wuchak
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  • bill2740bill2740 Member Posts: 886 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Is a Viet Nam era SKS C&R elligable? It's a North Vietnan manufactured and there is no solid information to determine when the firearm was manufactured.
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  • bill2740bill2740 Member Posts: 886 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Recently bought a Remington 341P .22 rifle on the auction side. Gun is C&R. It is definately over 50 years old. Seller refused to take C&R and had advertised it as such. I had to run it through my local FFL. I am going to run it through my C&R and log it into my bound book. My question is am I required to do this? As I recall it, any C&R aquired while you have a C&R must be loged into your bound book.
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  • bill2740bill2740 Member Posts: 886 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I just got my C&R license and the packet they send with it but they didn't send the "ATF-P5300.4" they did send a paper saying they were temporarily out of stock and to please re-order it by phone or on their website. I went to their website to order it but I couldn't find it. What is it used for and does it go by another name? Also I sent my application off for my C&R Oct. 24 and got my license Dec. 7.
    Thank you for your time.


    Veritas vincit "Truth conquers"
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  • bill2740bill2740 Member Posts: 886 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I missed my renewal date [:I][:p][xx(]

    Anybody know offhand if I can just send it in and get it renewed, or do I have to start over?

    Thanks...
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  • bill2740bill2740 Member Posts: 886 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Is it "better" in BATFE's eyes to sell guns acquired on C&R to another C&R holder, than a non-license holder? In other words if you get inspected, does one "look" better than the other?

    -Marcus
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  • bill2740bill2740 Member Posts: 886 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have the application for C&R filled out and ready to mail. Am I supposed to take one of the copies to my local "Chief Law Enforcement Officer" or send both copies back to ATF and let them mail them a copy after its approved? I'm confused! :-)
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  • bill2740bill2740 Member Posts: 886 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I just bought a Stevens Tip Up pistol with the detachable stock here on GunBroker. The seller wants a C&R or an FFL. It's actualy an antique and does not require either. I have no problem giving him a copy of my C&R. My question is do I have to enter it in my bound book since it's not a C&R. I plan to enter it anyway because entering it if not necessary should not be a problem. Not entering it if somone thinks it is necessary could be a problem. Just curious if it is a necessity.
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  • bill2740bill2740 Member Posts: 886 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    i just bought a C&R gun at an estate auction. The auction company transfered it through an FFL. Do log it into my book from the estate, the auction company, or the FFL?
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  • bill2740bill2740 Member Posts: 886 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    hello, does anyone know if a east german Makarov is a c&r gun? thanks
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  • bill2740bill2740 Member Posts: 886 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    question is,

    i have a C&R .

    I know your not to use it for business,
    if I decide to sell a C&R gun I had bought before my license can I send it to someone that has a C&R. or would it be better to just use an FFL for this sell

    Also do I have to log my OLDER C&R guns into a the log now that I have a C&R.[?]
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  • bill2740bill2740 Member Posts: 886 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    i have a 1903a3 with national ordance receiver. need to know since this is not a military receiver does it still qualify as c&r. thanks
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  • bill2740bill2740 Member Posts: 886 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A friend of mine just got his C&R. On the form it says to send a 'certified copy'. Does this mean 'notarized' or is it just whacky BATF terminology?

    -Marcus

    Tempus Fugit.
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  • bill2740bill2740 Member Posts: 886 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hi I havt e a question about the C&r PERMIT how can i apply and where? how much does it cost and what are the requirements. and one more what happenes is you wanna sell the gun to C&R or Non C&R holder.
    also can you sportize a C&R les say mauser and keept as a relic and what about if you want to sel it later.
    thanks
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  • bill2740bill2740 Member Posts: 886 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have had my C&R for about 6 years, but this "problem" never came up. I have the chance to sell a couple of my C&R rifles to a non licencee. According to the latest info letter I have from the DOJ, I can sell to a resident in my own state. (at least that is how I interpret the law). My question is how do I sell these rifles without filling out the 4473 and calling NICS for this sale?
    Thanks,
    Jeff
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  • bill2740bill2740 Member Posts: 886 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Is there a way to verify a C&R license? I tried the verify an FFL on the auction side and it said on the bottom that it can't be used for C&R verification. Thanks.
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  • bill2740bill2740 Member Posts: 886 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hi, I've posed this question on the Barry Morgan Firearms forum at German Daggers dot com, and I've also called the ATF licensing center in Atlanta (haven't heard back from them), so I thought someone here might know. I just this week got my license and the huge package of info from the ATF. Enclosed was a short 4-5 page pamphlet entitled FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSEE GENERAL GUIDELINES AND INFORMATION. On the first page it says to use certified copies of your license to make firearms puchases. Does this apply only to FFL holders, or C&R holders as well? I'm enclined to believe it's only for FFL licensees, but being a newbee, just wanted to play it safe and find out for sure.
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  • bill2740bill2740 Member Posts: 886 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have heard that C&R guns that have been modified from their original condition are no longer C&R elligible. Is a C&R Colt SAA that has been after market engraved no longer C&R elligible?
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  • bill2740bill2740 Member Posts: 886 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    guy has a russian sks and is claiming that russians are c&r eligable. ive been a C&R trader for years and know that the russians are the only sks's that are NOT c&r eligable. who's right. let me know, thanks
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  • bill2740bill2740 Member Posts: 886 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I just finished filling out my C&R renewal and was surprised to see question #8 ask my if I have, or planned to do any internet sales. It then went on to ask which site(s) I planned to use. I don't remember that last time, any idea as to when that appeared?
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  • TRAP55TRAP55 Member Posts: 8,292 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    For the last two years.
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  • Spider7115Spider7115 Member Posts: 29,704 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    ALL 2nd Generation Colt SAA's up to 1976 have been classified as C&R eligible by ATF.

    http://www.atf.gov/publications/firearms/curios-relics/update-march-2001-may-2005.html

    Colt, Single Action Army (2nd Generation) revolvers, having serial numbers from 0001SA to 82000SA, all calibers, made between 1956 and 1976.
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  • peddlerpeddler Member Posts: 881 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    That is good to know.
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  • bill2740bill2740 Member Posts: 886 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I contacted two GB sellers (one no FFL other has FFL) the revolvers are not C&R.
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  • rufe-snowrufe-snow Member Posts: 18,650 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bill2740
    I contacted two GB sellers (one no FFL other has FFL) the revolvers are not C&R.



    The sellers have the option to sell their firearms, as they see fit. Many of them don't want to have anything to do with C & R handguns, and will only transfer through a 001 licensee.
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  • wwiimanwwiiman Member Posts: 95 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Direct quote from the ATF's C&R handbook page 22
    Colt SAA 2nd gen revolvers,having s/n from 0001SA to 82000SA , all calibers, made between 1956 and 1976
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  • slumlord44slumlord44 Member Posts: 3,702 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    C&R on two counts. Over 50 years old and on the list. Seller either does not know or does not care.
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  • Spider7115Spider7115 Member Posts: 29,704 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Some states, like NY and Cal., do not recognize C&R licenses for handguns. Also, a dealer can use USPS to ship handguns to an FFL dealer but not to a C&R licensee.

    Thus, it's the seller's right to set his terms.
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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    What is C&R?
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  • dfletcherdfletcher Member Posts: 8,179 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Sage1
    What is C&R?


    Curio & Relic.

    Some firearms, by age or designation, are considered curios and relics. A C & R FFL license costs $30.00 for 3 years and allows an individual to receive C & R firearms directly through the mail, for the purpose of collecting only, unless receipt through the mail is otherwise prohibited or restricted by state or local law.
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  • Spider7115Spider7115 Member Posts: 29,704 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dfletcher
    quote:Originally posted by Sage1
    What is C&R?


    Curio & Relic.

    Some firearms, by age or designation, are considered curios and relics. A C & R FFL license costs $30.00 for 3 years and allows an individual to receive C & R firearms directly through the mail, for the purpose of collecting only, unless receipt through the mail is otherwise prohibited or restricted by state or local law.

    Exception: Handguns can not be sent via USPS mail to C&R holders. You must use UPS or FedEx.
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