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EAA Witness 9mm mags?
Sig220_Ruger77
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Which 9mm mag do I need for this pistol? I am getting mixed results from EAA's website and other reviews of buyers. I believe I need the 16 round mags, but I want to make sure. The part that is confusing me, is that the 16 rounds mags don't have the polymer base like the one that came with my gun. Thanks in advance for the help.
Jon
Jon
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go to buds Gun shop or google "EAA witness 9mm Polymer" and follow the link to Buds(The buds link will not come through the censor)
They have a tab just below the spec sheet that lists 2 magazines that are guaranteed compatible. They have a model number that you can use in your search:
-European American Armory 16 Round 9MM Witness Magazine w/Blu
Model #: 101900
Price: $22.12
-European American Armory 17 Round 9MM Full Size Witness Maga
Model #: 101935
Price: $22.12
You can call them too they are very helpful.
Good luck
Sam
In doing a little more digging I am getting confused also and I am not sure if those are the correct magazines. Cheaper than dirt has conflicting data.
Edit #2 according to the CZ forum the 101900 is the correct magazine.
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=52610.0
Jon
go to buds Gun shop or google "EAA witness 9mm Polymer" and follow the link to Buds(The buds link will not come through the censor)
They have a tab just below the spec sheet that lists 2 magazines that are guaranteed compatible. They have a model number that you can use in your search:
-European American Armory 16 Round 9MM Witness Magazine w/Blu
Model #: 101900
Price: $22.12
-European American Armory 17 Round 9MM Full Size Witness Maga
Model #: 101935
Price: $22.12
You can call them too they are very helpful.
Good luck
Sam
In doing a little more digging I am getting confused also and I am not sure if those are the correct magazines. Cheaper than dirt has conflicting data.
Edit #2 according to the CZ forum the 101900 is the correct magazine.
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=52610.0
Sam,
Yep, that's the one! I just got off the phone with EAA customer service. They are very helpful people. [8D]
Thanks for the help on digging up the information.
Jon
Just to add a little more info here, the EAA makes two frame size of guns, large and small, and the magazines don't interchange between these two.
I believe your polymer gun takes the same mags as the small frame Witnesses, which themselves are basically CZ-75 derivatives. I've seen metal bottom Witness mags, so you don't necessarily "need" polymer ones.
The Witness mags have cutouts on both sides, so they're effectively "ambidextrous" should you wish to reverse the magazine release button on your gun.
The won't necessarily be ambidextrous, but other magazines that MAY (or may not) work include original CZ75 and CZ75B mags, as well as mags for other CZ75 clones (including Springfield TZ-75, Israeli Jericho/Baby Eagle, and Turkish SAR). Its ultimately going to depend on the mags in question. There are small dimensional differences between the mags, followers, and between the guns that can make all the difference.
From experience, I've found that original CZ75 mags work fine inside my EAA small frame witness, but not the other way around.
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quote:From my understanding, EAA used to make two sized guns. They have in the last couple years, switched to one frame size fits all, as their trade mark feature is, that you can make it anything from 22LR to 45 ACP, inclusing 9mm, 38 Super, 40 S&W, 10mm Norma, and 45 ACP, just by changing the upper half, and the magazine.
That's not entirely correct. To be clear, (and contrary to what I posted above) EAA doesn't "make" ANY guns at all. They're just an importer and distributor for foreign made guns.
The "Witness" guns in question are made by Tanfoglio, which is a 70 year old Italian company located in Italy's "gun valley". Tanfoglio itself has different names for these guns, depending on size and frame material. . .they're only called "Witness" by EAA in the USA. Elsewhere they are typically knows as Tanfoglio branded models, like the "T95" (steel) or "Force" (polymer).
For many years EAA was the companies exclusive American distributor for Tanfoglio (before them it was Excam/FIE), but its not true anymore. A few years back EAA gave up the right to distribute the small frame guns, and instead started to import Turkish made SAR pistols, another CZ-75 copy, which presumably filled the same niche for them.
Right now EAA is still the sole domestic importer for the LARGE frame Witness guns, which it sells in steel and polymer frame versions. If you want 45ACP, 10mm, or .38 super, then you need a large frame gun.
The small frame guns are still being sold. . .and you can buy new ones, if you like. . .only now by Armscor/ Rock Island Armory under the name "MAP". The newer guns now come with dust cover rails, and low snag ramp type rear sights, but otherwise they're the same.
I think you got your answer.
Just to add a little more info here, the EAA makes two frame size of guns, large and small, and the magazines don't interchange between these two.
I believe your polymer gun takes the same mags as the small frame Witnesses, which themselves are basically CZ-75 derivatives. I've seen metal bottom Witness mags, so you don't necessarily "need" polymer ones.
The Witness mags have cutouts on both sides, so they're effectively "ambidextrous" should you wish to reverse the magazine release button on your gun.
The won't necessarily be ambidextrous, but other magazines that MAY (or may not) work include original CZ75 and CZ75B mags, as well as mags for other CZ75 clones (including Springfield TZ-75, Israeli Jericho/Baby Eagle, and Turkish SAR). Its ultimately going to depend on the mags in question. There are small dimensional differences between the mags, followers, and between the guns that can make all the difference.
From experience, I've found that original CZ75 mags work fine inside my EAA small frame witness, but not the other way around.
Good to know! That will give me something to keep an eye out for an gunshows. I ordered 2 new mags for now, so the 3 should hold me over for a while. I would like to out a whole bunch of rounds down range with this thing to make sure it is 100% reliable and I like the feel.
Thanks again guys.
Jon
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From my understanding, EAA used to make two sized guns. They have in the last couple years, switched to one frame size fits all, as their trade mark feature is, that you can make it anything from 22LR to 45 ACP, inclusing 9mm, 38 Super, 40 S&W, 10mm Norma, and 45 ACP, just by changing the upper half, and the magazine.
I am not sure if they switched back to two frame sizes or not, but I would think one size does all, could hurt their market share, in the compact CCW arena.
Best
Roust the EAA folks at Shot Show every year; they're in the mail........[:(]
I've been waiting six years for some Witness mags.
Roust the EAA folks at Shot Show every year; they're in the mail........[:(]
quote:Originally posted by slinger
I've been waiting six years for some Witness mags.
Roust the EAA folks at Shot Show every year; they're in the mail........[:(]
My guess is you've waited too long.
I can't help you with your EAA customer service issue (I've had my own. . .I won't get into that now), but in general Witness mags aren't hard to find. EAA does have them, and will sell them. I actually just looked at their website, and they even list 25 round mags for 9mm Witnesses. (Presumably these are extra long submachine-gun like magazines).
I don't know which particular type you're after, but CDNN out of Texas typically stocks a bunch of these, in regular and limited capacity. Midway USA stocks them, and I've seen them in other places too.
The auction site here has pretty much any EAA mag you'd ever want, and at least some of them are reasonably priced.
FWIW, the OEM magazines are made by MecGar and they're identical to MecGar branded ones. Also, the limited capacity (10 round) mags have shortened tubes; I think they're basically compact mags with lengthened baseplates to fit in the full sized guns. The point is, unlike some Clinton-era "dimple" designs the 10 rounders are not modifiable to hold more than 10.