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Tula Ammo
bigbossman
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Anybody tried any of the Tula ammo in 223 caliber?
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barrel Bushmaster H-Bar?
I don't want to invest in a case or two of this stuff until I get some opinions on it. I live in a rural area so penetrating neighbor's walls isn't a factor..
I know Tula has been around for a long time but I have very little info on their current products.
One of the least accurate 223 loads ever (3-5" groups).
I have no idea what you mean by "effective range".
CP
Cheap, but like the rest of the Russian steel case stuff, I wouldn't expect too much in the way of accuracy.
I also wouldn't expect too much performance out of the hollow points. They probably won't expand, and if you want to use these for hunting, I'd definitely choose something else.
Lastly, some people have problems with brass rounds sticking in AR-15 chambers after using a lot of steel case ammo.
As to "effective range" I meant maximum range I can reasonably expect to hit a man-size target. My first GOOGLE search on Tula had a lot of history but not much on their ammo, but I am not through yet.
I used to shoot a lot of 7.62x39 but I noticed it's accuracy at 200 yards was nowhere near the military .223, and I was using what I think was called an NHM-91; a longer-barrelled version of the AK that came with a bi-pod(low-grade) as a set that I bought just before the gun ban set in. I think SKS's were going for $76.00 at that Baltimore show that weekend. I think the full-auto version of this NHM-91 weapon was an RPK-90. I have seen them in movies with magazine-fed and belt-fed versions.
I shot at a piece of yellow legal-size paper with a bulls - eye on it at 200 yards using Soviet military rounds from a table rest. Mediocre results - not all the rounds hit the legal paper.
I then used an AR-15 that belonged to a friend of mine - cut up the bulls-eye big time. No comparison as to accuracy. Standard open sights on both weapons. The Soviet gun fit me more comfortably in a physical sense, but the accuracy wasn't even in the same ball-park.
Back to the better-quality ammo stuff for the Bushmaster; I'll use the el-cheapo as training ammo with my single-shot Handi-Rifle to teach my young cousins.
By the way, Beantownshootah, this question originally mentioned you by name requesting a response because I have seen you answer so many questions on this forum that I wish I had even a good start on the reference materials and experience with stuff that you must have.
I didn't finish it as it was about 0400 hours, so I decided to try again later on. I'd like to sit down with you over a good meal and talk guns one day, but it is a long way from the Kentucky mountains near the Cumberland Gap to Bean Town. So, that probably won't happen........
The only time I have ever been up that way was around 1997 when the state sent me to the Smith & Wesson Armorer's School in Springfield.
The Springfield Armory was a great tour.......
I have not used steel-case ammo before, but I know the Soviets turn out a lot of it. It is not going through my new Bushmaster, and I thank you for that information. And thanks to anyone else who has responded or will respond to this question.
I suspect that the Russians are loading it to tout it as their version of match ammo, to try to cater to the 1 in 7, 8, or 9 twists of todays rifles. Expect it to go bang, have mediocre accuracy at best, and be very dirty. Don't expect it to be like the Black Hills Match, or Federal Gold Medal Match ammo.
Also, just because it is hollowpoint type, don't expect it to have spectacular effects on your pill popping zombies. Most hollowpoint match ammo will not expand.
Best
For defense I load my .223's currently with Federal match with the 68 gr Sierra HP bullet. However, after comparing these side by side with a new Winchester bonded 64 grain round(through wallboard, glass and "car door" steel and into gel), when the Win. bonded become available in quantity I'm using them.
Shot a Kel-Tec P11 with Tula ammo. This P11 model proved more reliable than a popular more expensive striker-fire design because the rounds would frequently misfire and you can just pull the trigger again to get it to fire. In my opinion, I'd never use any Russian made ammo again. I was shooting Wolf .223 ammo in a AR15 and thank God I was paying attention during the mag loading to find one round had the primer cup reversed. I showed the range attendant. My point is, if the ammo costs you your eye and gun, who are you going to sue? Statements like, not responsible for any injury or loss of life or damages what so ever don't apply to American manufactured products. So you can sue an American Ammo company.
Wolf is a US importer.
CP