Ammo Id

Emmett Dunham

,,,,need help identifying what appears to be miniature shotgun shells,,,,,they are no larger than a .22LR and are loaded with sawdust like substance,,,,,have pix but unable to get them to post on GB,,,,,any ideas what they might be used for ?????????

Emmett Dunham

I was loading some AK magazines the other day in prep for going to the range. I keep an ammo can of loose 7.62 X 39.

While loading my mags I encountered 10 rounds of ammo mixed in with my AK ammo. Dont know how it got in there. This ammo is 7.62 and has a case 1/4" longer than AK ammo and 1/4" shorter than .308 - 7.62 X 51. Anyone know what caliber it is?

Here is a pic... ?? ammo in the middle. AK on left. .308 on right.

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Emmett Dunham

A friend hand some old ammo in boxes and asked if I could find out what he had:

RAIS, M41 .38 Special
WW38 S&IW Western
.45 ACP F.A.937 Looked like two military papers boxes with about 20 round per box.

Thanks

Emmett

Emmett Dunham

Have some 30 Caliber M2 Ball ammo.
Bullet is Cupro-Nickle
Primers are sealed in red and the bullets are sealed in red also.
Headstamp is TE 57 C 1
I know it is 30-06, want to know where it was made.
According to Cartridges of the World; it is machine gun ammo.
152gr. bullet.
Is the "TE" or "C" the manufacturer?

If the "C" there are 3 possibilities.
1. Creedmore Cartridge Co., Barberton OH
2. Munitionsfabrik Cassel, Cassel, Germany
3. Pirotecnico Dell'Esercito Capua, Capua, Italy

If the "TE" there are 2 possibilities.
1. Cartoucherie de Toulouse, Toulouse, France
2. Toyo Seiki, Ltd., Tokyo, Japan

Just something for the experts to think about.

I know pictures say a thousand words. Can not remember my Picture Trail account[:0]

Emmett Dunham

Ran across some ammo headstamp FA then T&P I know FA is Frankford Arsenal what about the T P? Someone told me may be match ammo?
Thanks JGW


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Emmett Dunham

went to small gun show this morning, ended up buying ziploc bag full, 32, of 8mm mauser, 8x57 the head markings are z on top, roman numeral 7, VII, on bottom on left 19, on right 37, the bullet is silver jacketed (steel) any ideas on what it is? also the brass is drab green color, I'm sure its military safe to shoot?

Emmett Dunham

I think I know what it is but just double checking.

I have about 700 rds of copper colored .308 ammo. It is stamped 61 on the top and 92 on the bottom.

I think it is Chinese made in 92......

ammo guy

The .38 Special is the US military load(M41) with the 130 gr FMC bullet. Probably made by Winchester/Western. The .45 is a load made by Frankfort Arsenal, head stamp may indicate mfg date of Sep/1937. This again is the standard 230 gr military load.

Stack

I believe the M41 .38 Special cartridge was developed in the early 1950s for use in the aluminum cylinder and frame Colt and Smith & Wesson M13 Aircrewman revolvers.

Riomouse911

http://cartridgecollectors.org/

They have all sorts of info.

Txs

They've all been designated M41, but there have actually been three different iterations of this USGI ammunition. The only thing they have in common is that they each use a 130 gr. FMJ bullet.

Cartridge, Caliber .38, Ball M41 was a lower pressure load introduced in the mid-50's and has been stated was to accommodate the lightweight aircrew handguns which were originally equipped with aluminum cylinders.

Cartridge, Caliber .38 Ball, Special, M41 was a slightly higher pressure loading which came out in the early 60's after those aluminum cylindered guns were no longer being issued.

Each of these rounds appear the same and can only be identified by nomenclature markings on their containers or in some cases the year on their headstamping. Overlapping did occur.

Caliber .38 Special, Ball, High Velocity was a +P level loading. This was a USAF-only round introduced in the mid-70's for use in what was their standard issue handgun at that time, the S&W M15.

In addition to the change in nomenclature, each container of this ammunition is also marked with the designation PGU-12/B. The rounds themselves are also easily identified by their elongated case which is crimped up over the ogive of the bullet, with not much more than the tip of it's FMJ bullet visible.

Emmett Dunham

The boxes and ammo are in very good condition. What should I advise him about value? Keep the ammo, sell it or shoot it.

Emmett

givette

The first lot of Frankford Arsenal .45 ACP non corrosive ammo was (is?) 1542. Manufactured Jul 1954.

So, if your lot is earlier, corrosive. Later, Non corrosive. Headsatmped FA 55 and later is a total guarantee of non corrosive FA .45 ball M1911 ammo. Hope I helped. Joe