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Info on German 9 m/m

PatriotPatriot Member Posts: 101 ✭✭
edited June 2003 in Ask the Experts
I am looking for info on a German p m/m semi auto pistol, Markings are
Ortgies-Patrnt
Deutsch Werke Aktiengesellschaft Berlin
under the receiver is the ser. no 35981 with the worg Germany under the number On the clip on 1 side is p m/m on the other side is 7.65
I would like to know the year of this weapon and the approx. value as a collectiable

Thanks looking for an answer. Any and all help appreciated
Dick

Dick lemoi
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  • mark christianmark christian Member Posts: 24,443 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Another Ortgies surfaces! These are my favorite of all the German pocket pistols. Your .380 pistol is less than 2000 units away from my own .380 pistol's serial number. In that range all examples I've seen with original stocks (grips if you must) have the H-O emblem rather than the stylized lion from Deutsch Wereke (got it right this time Snowman!) All examples I've observed with original magazines are marked as your is and stamped with the H-O symbol on the lower right hand portion of the magazine. There were some manual safety versions produced in .380 and these also used conventional screws for the stocks. These were manufacturered near the end production are VERY rare and seldom encountered. Exactly why these features were added is unknown since the other production pistols did very nicely without them. If your pistol lacks these features it is quite clearly an earlier production version.

    Despite years of trying, I have yet to find a reliable source for dating these pistols by serial number. It is known that the .380's did not go into production until around 1922 and production ended about four years later (.32 production also ended) when .25 ACP became the sole Ortgies caliber available. You simply don't find these .380's around very often (I looked for years to get mine) and examples in better than average shape are rare. You make no mention of condition but a typical .380 would retail in the $200 range. Most of these pistols were carried on a dayly basis for personal protection so they show considerable wear to the finish as well as pitting from persperation. I've been collecting these pistols for years and I'm still scrambling for any information I can locate. I wish I could be of more help to you. Do you know how to take the pistol apart? It can be tricky!

    Mark T. Christian
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