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P14 and P17 action differences.

Bill CostikBill Costik Member Posts: 1,845 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 2006 in Ask the Experts
I know one is .30-06 and one is .303 Brit. Is there any difference in strength between thses two? Are the bolt heads interchangable? For example if I had a bolt for a .303 can I swap it with a bolthead from an '06? Also how hard are bolts to come by? Thanks guys.
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  • One shotOne shot Member Posts: 1,027 ✭
    edited November -1
    Bolts between the two of these gus are not interchangeable. The .303 is a rimmed cartridge and the 30-06 is a rimless cartridge. There are other minor differances between the two but I can not recall what they are.
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  • Bill CostikBill Costik Member Posts: 1,845 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I realize the bolts themselves aren't interchangable, but can the bolt heads be switched, like on the Lee Enfield?
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  • 101AIRBORNE101AIRBORNE Member Posts: 1,252 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bill,
    The bolt body on the P-14 and U.S. Model of 1917 are one piece.
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  • Bill CostikBill Costik Member Posts: 1,845 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks 101 thats what I was looking for.
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  • MIKE WISKEYMIKE WISKEY Member Posts: 10,046 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "Bolts between the two of these gus are not interchangeable."... that isn't nesessarily true, if you are just talking 'actions' the easyest way to convert a m-1917 to a magnun action for a custom rifle is to replace the original m-1917 bolt with a p-14 bolt (correct larger bolt face and a smaller firing pin tip). as for other differences; the rear receiver contour is slightly different as is the magazine and feed ramps in the undredside of the receiver. Strenght wise they are equal.
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  • One shotOne shot Member Posts: 1,027 ✭
    edited November -1
    Mike: I think you missed the original intent of the post, as did I. Key phrase here being "Bolt head" interchangeability. there is no "Bolt head" as the bolt body on the P-17 and P-14 are one piece. I think he was confusing these rifles with the No.1 thru no.5 design.
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  • Bill CostikBill Costik Member Posts: 1,845 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    No I what i was getting at is if I had a P14 action I wanted to build a .35 Whelen out of, could I have been able to just swtich bolts and headspace to the new barrel. Looks like I would have been SOL. The reason I was asking is because there is a gentleman on the auction side that is selling P14/P17 actions. He makes no differentiation( is that even a word?) between the 14 or 17.

    Now whats the size of the .303 case head? Same as magnums cases based on the H&H? Or smaller, and you'd have to open up?
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  • sandwarriorsandwarrior Member Posts: 5,453 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bill,

    Yes differentiation is a word. And, it's a good thing you asked here because you would have been SOL with bolts that wouldn't fit the receiver you had.
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  • MIKE WISKEYMIKE WISKEY Member Posts: 10,046 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "No I what i was getting at is if I had a P14 action I wanted to build a .35 Whelen out of, could I have been able to just swtich bolts and headspace to the new barrel." ... YES THIS WILL WORK, YOU WILL NEED A NEW MAGAZINE BOX AND YOU'LL HAVE TO REGRIND THE FEED RAILS. THE M-1917 BOLT TAKES THE .30/06 FAMILY OF CARTIDGES, THE P-14 THE .303/.30/40 KRAG/ OR THE H&H MAGNUMS. KIND OF REVERSE ENGENIRING BUT IT WOULD WORK.
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