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Tires I think I found the reason
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Why the tires came apart. Date codes were 42-13 42nd week of 2013 tires were manufactured. That would be approx. 5 yr 7 months old. I am thinking heat was the reason. Truck spent its life in New Mexico and then to South Carolina. It gets warm in both places. Study below states anything over 6 yrs is the life of a tire. However not happy I had new GoodYears installed yesterday. Their date codes are 31-17 ( 1 yr 11 months old ) 2 at 39-17 1 yr. 9 months old and -8-18 ( 1 yr. 5 months ) old. So if the life of the new tires are 6 yrs mine have approx 4 yrs left.
http://www.tiresafetygroup.com/tires-expire-in-six-years/
http://www.tiresafetygroup.com/tires-expire-in-six-years/
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http://www.tiresafetygroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/NHTSA-Research-Report-to-Congress-on-Tire-Aging.pdf
Several years ago I bought a used Nissan Pickkup. It was 11 years old. I pulled the spare, it still had the little rubber knobs on it. I looked at the date and it was 11 years old. This was the original spare, had never been used.
So I took it to my tire store in Weaverville and told them I wanted a new spare.
And the guy said there was nothing wrong with my spare.
And I told him, I wasn't asking for his opinion, I wanted a new spare. And he said, "There is nothing wrong with that tire."
And I told him, "I am going to a different tire store. I am going to pay them money to put a different tire for a spare. And you will never see me again. Bye."
And that store never has seen me again and I gave them a lot of business.
And I just bought a Nissan a year ago, this is a 9 year old truck, and it still had the original spare. And I told my new tire store I wanted it replaced with a brand new tire. The guy told me, "That spare looks OK to me but I will replace it if that is what you want."
And he did replace it. But, if left up to him he would not have replaced a 9 year old tire.
So there is a great abyss of ignorance about the age of tires problem.
I will assure y'all that Michelin still makes tires in America. They have a massive manufacturing complex around Greenville SC. There are 8 big, big plants that I know of that make tires there in Greenville/Spartanburg.
There are other factors to tire wear other then age. Obviously mileage. But sun damage is a biggy as well.
I have had many new or slightly aged tires fail due to tread separation, & I believe that was due to poor quality manufacturing by US tire companies.
But, you have to take into account the speed rating of tires. Speed increases heat, so you may want to pay extra for a high speed rating if you live in a hot part of the country, even if you don't drive fast.
Neal
Do Car Tires Have a Shelf Life?
Ronald Montoya
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October 24th, 2018
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For years, people have relied on tread depth to determine when to replace a tire. If the tread passes the "penny test," they assume the tire still has life, regardless of how old it is, which can be a fatal mistake. Old tires are dangerous, regardless of tread depth. While there's no federally sanctioned safety guidance on when a tire is too old to be safe, many carmakers recommend replacement at six years from the date of manufacture.
Old tires have been the culprit in fatal accidents. Here are just two examples:
In 2008, the owner of a 1998 Ford Explorer in Georgia needed a new tire for his SUV and bought a used one. When he was driving two weeks later, the tread suddenly separated from the tire. The Explorer went out of control and hit a motorcycle, killing its rider. An analysis of the used tire revealed that it was nearly 10 years old.
In a more recent and high-profile example, the investigation into the cause of the 2013 accident that killed the actor Paul Walker revealed that the Porsche Carrera GT in which he was riding had 9-year-old tires. The California Highway Patrol noted that the tires' age might have compromised their drivability and handling characteristics, according to the Los Angeles Times.
These incidents illustrate the potential danger of buying used tires and the perils of driving on aging tires ? including those that have never spent a day on the road. The rubber compounds in a tire deteriorate with time, regardless of the condition of the tread.
For some people, old tires might never be an issue. If you drive a typical number of miles, somewhere around 12,000-15,000 miles annually, a tire's tread will wear out in three to four years, long before the rubber compound does. But if you drive much less than that, or have a car that you only drive on weekends, aging tires could be an issue.
Similarly, if you are buying a used car, there's a chance it may be riding on old tires. The age warning also applies to spare tires and seemingly new tires that have never been used but were produced years ago.
What Happens to a Tire as It Ages?
Sean Kane, president of Safety Research & Strategies Inc., compares an aging tire to an old rubber band. "If you take a rubber band that's been sitting around a long time and stretch it, you will start to see cracks in the rubber," said Kane, whose organization is involved in research, analysis and advocacy on safety matters for the public and clients including attorneys, engineering firms, supplier companies, media and government.
Cracks in a tire's rubber begin to develop over time, appearing on the surface and inside the tire as well. This cracking can eventually cause the steel belts in the tread to separate from the rest of the tire. Improper maintenance and heat accelerate the process.
Kane and his organization have identified over 250 incidents in which tires older than six years have experienced tread and belt separations ? most resulting in loss-of-control and rollover crashes. These incidents were the cause of 233 fatalities and 300 injuries in 2012.
Every tire that's on the road long enough will succumb to age. Tires that are rated for higher mileage have antiozonant chemical compounds built into the rubber that will slow the aging process, but nothing stops the effects of time on rubber.
How Long Does a Tire Last?
Carmakers, tiremakers and rubber manufacturers differ in their opinions about the lifespan of a tire. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has no specific guidelines on tire aging and defers to the recommendations of carmakers and tire manufacturers.
Many automakers, including Ford, Nissan and Mercedes-Benz, tell owners to replace tires six years after their production date, regardless of tread life. Tire manufacturers such as Continental and Michelin say a tire can last up to 10 years provided you get annual tire inspections after the fifth year.
The Rubber Manufacturers Association said there is no way to put a date on when a tire "expires" because such factors as heat, storage, underinflation and conditions of use can dramatically reduce the life of a tire. Here's more on each of these factors:
Heat: NHTSA research has found that tires age more quickly in warmer climates. NHTSA also found that environmental conditions, such as exposure to sunlight and coastal climates, can hasten the aging process. People who live in coastal states and other areas with warm weather should keep this in mind when deciding whether they should retire a tire.
Storage: This applies to spare tires and tires that are sitting in a garage or shop. A tire that has not been mounted and is just sitting in a tire shop or your garage will age more slowly than one that has been put into service on a car. But it ages nonetheless.
Spares: They usually don't see the light of day, but they're still degrading with time. If the tire has been inflated and mounted on a wheel, it is considered to be "in service," even if it's never been used. And if a truck's spare is mounted underneath the vehicle, it's exposed to heat, dirt and weather ? all reasons to plan on replacement.
Just like everything else we purchase. Tires, wipers, paint, plastic products, shoes, clothes, tools, fuel, food, batteries, TV's, machines, etc., etc., etc....
It is called Harvesting disposable Income with planned obsolescence.
Disposable Income
"...income that is left after paying taxes and for things that are essential, such as food and housing..."
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disposable income
Planned Obsolescence
" ...industrial design and economics is a policy of planning or designing a product with an artificially limited useful life..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence
Industry (and Government) uses formulas to calculate "exactly" how many dollars each citizen has available. The problem is each of those greedy b*&^9@*%#s want all of our disposable income for themselves so they scheme and scam unlimited numbers of ways to snooker us out of our money.
Take Ethanol, for instance. Only newer gas engines (last 10 years) will survive Ethanol. What a wonderful scam! It eats rubber hoses and gaskets and rust all steel less than Stainless Steel.
https://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/alternative-fuels/ethanol-damage-engine.htm
Dad traded in the truck about 1982 or 83 when he bought a new car.
The truck didn't have 30,000 miles on it ........still had the original tires with good tread.
Age of a tire has never caused me to purchase new tires on any motor vehicle.
Only purchased new tires if the old ones had nearly no tread left or the sidewalls were severely weather cracked but don't recall such an event.
NEVER had a blow out but a few flats from picking up a nail....and the last flat was some 18 years ago.
We have enough gun laws, what we need is IDIOT control.
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I thought getting old would take longer. :shock:
That report is 12 years old, things may have changed since then.
Post up the evidence . Tire manufacturers say 6 yrs.
One of Yokohoma's plants is less than 10 miles away from me. You do have to check some of those tires....not all of their models are made in America.
Ask Paul Walker about out of date tires and what can happen....
I'm posting this because when it comes to buying new stuff that has a shelf life, it is always best to buy the VERY freshest you can possibly get. Buying food is probably what most think of and is important but then there are other things like tires, gas, (yes, some stations close for several months and just turn on the pumps at the beginning of the new season).
I try my best to always shop at the busiest places where turn over is greatest. Thank you select fire for opening my eyes on this tire issue. I learn something new every day!
That's probably why they are discount tires, because they are selling older stock that's been sitting in a distribution center for years.
Wrong.. I have used them for probably 20 yrs. Never had this issue. And they are making it right.
Spot On
Is it just a business name or a vendor for closeout tires?
If someone buys tires what is the main reason?
I would say a large business 35 states over a 1000 stores...
Thanks Allen,
I have full size optioned spare in trunk of 88 Crown Vic, 10 miles, used once, me, original. I bought car 10 years ago from orig. owner, 9,400 miles. Drove car up hiway 70mph and could not get home fast enough, barely. In 3 miles at 70 tires had severely separated belts. Made it home and original tires were still on car!!!
No cracks, tires where round when left the house but had not been father than the local stores or Church, EVER. I had Brand New Goodyear HP's mounted. Those 20 year tires looked great until I went for a "ride".
I have bias ply mud tires in the barn, Monster Mudders, Ground Hawgs, older than 20 years 35's up to 44". Are as day put in tac room. I still use on the farm but would not put on a roadway, not on a bet. How long will they last? Hard to say, the original Goodyear 45degree bars on my Ford NAA are about to give up the rims accept the chloride tubes and what is left are attached. In process now of busting beads on one now.
Tires on the roadway should not be tempted with. A lot of possible bad things can happen in the time that tire blows. Ask any Trucker what a blown tire does to steel and aluminum. Everyone here knows all about it.
So you want new tires then be able to ask for new date coded tire before they take the time to mount, balance, and have new schrader valves inserted also. How old are they? Bolted metal on truck for me, unless tubes are inside.
As I said, my two local country tire stores are not aware of this problem.
One guy on this thread posted a story of his dad driving tires that were 30 or 40 years old, and no problem. And I don't doubt his story.
But the evidence is out there, the expert opinions are out there, that driving on the highway with old tires can get you killed.
I am convinced that this is a genuine problem.
Let's look at the last pickup I bought, it was 9 years old when I bought it, had 40K miles. I paid $16K. When it got traded in, the used car lot did, hard to imagine, but they did a complete tune up, oil change and filters, yes, but also new spark plugs! Go figure. Also new tires all around, except for the spare.
So what if they hadn't done the tires. The old tires probably still had some life in the tread. But I am not gonna run 9 year old tires and it would have cost me $375 to put all new rubber on that truck, and that is what I would have done if needed. As it was, I just had to replace the spare which was brand new not 1 mile on it.
And one of the best ways to sell a used car? Tires
I have a friend that has a used truck lot and does the things that will get safety inspection passed. But tells me if the tires are not close to being new that he will datecode and replace almost anyway because of the safety involved. Then you at that point are checking everything else while there. Brakes, bearings, tierods, springs, the Frame.
When I purchased a car out of Texas last year, I ask the dealer if it had the original tires. It did, the car was 10 yr old. They replaced the tire because they were unsafe. Should be some sort or requirement for the seller. I have classic cars with original tires. I always on the bill of sale write on it the car has original tires and they are not safe to drive . The purchaser has notice and I am not responsible if they blow out. You would be surprised of the buyers that have no clue they are unsafe because the tires look new. Just sold a 2001 with original tires and under 300 miles on it.
Since the '60's, the ONLY time I put on new tires is when the old ones have 2/32" of tread or less remaining...and a few I've never had to replace the tires since at trade off time, they were nearly bald. The stealerships don't give you a penny more if you got good tread or no tread left on the tires.
We have enough gun laws, what we need is IDIOT control.
Blood makes you related. Loyalty makes you family.
I thought getting old would take longer. :shock:
* has a huge plant in China, they run * and US name brand tires side by side on the same line using the same compounds and methods for construction. The only difference is tread design and the branding on the sidewalls.
I have mixed feelings about this whole thing. Rubber plantations are in the far east it really does make sense to make tires where the raw materials are. The Steel Workers Union has a strangle hold on the US legacy companies but even at full production the US makers can't meet demand. We need imported tires just to keep America rolling.
Tire ages, the recapping age limit for TBR tires is five years; older it is considered a "B" casing with no warranty. New tires for cars are 6-7 years unless damaged or ran underinflated or in extreme conditions. By the by, most cars without TPMS are ran with too low tire pressures, causing heat and eventual failure far sooner than the tread wears out.
Many wrecks could be avoided if the police took 20 seconds to casually inspect tires when pulling over a car for a driving infraction. Unsafe tires, steel belts showing, no tread left or mismatched junk are all disasters waiting to kill someone. That someone could be you and yours. Hydroplaning is a recipe for disaster.
My 98 Chevy K1500 has BFG All-Terrain TA's on it. I'd have to double check for sure, but I think they are about 8 years old and could have up to 105k on them and still have decent tread. What is funny, is somehow, or for some reason, put 8 ply tires on it. It made my truck ride like a tank. So, instead of 65 PSI air pressure, I run them at 35. I've had countless tire shops tell me that will wear prematurely. I said if they are at 65, then they ride too rough for my back and they will come off NOW! I love the tread pattern on them. They have side lugs and good footprint for mud and snow, but I haven't had any hydroplaning issues. I don't know how the less ply tires would ride though. If they would ride better, I'd be tempted to get them again. Otherwise, I'll likely get a house brand from Discount Tires. They are a fair amount cheaper and have similar tread.
Here is the manufacture date on the spare of my Infiniti. By the way, I notice that all these dates are on the inside of the tire, so if the tire is mounted it is difficult to find these dates.
These dates are all the same, about 3/8 of an inch high. 3715 means the 37th week of 2015, so September of 2015.
Sometimes these numbers are enclosed in a little stamped oval.