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Ten years for murder

cbxjeffcbxjeff Member Posts: 17,637 ✭✭✭✭
edited October 2019 in General Discussion
and she probably be out in five. Kind of make murder sound not so bad after all. I use to drink a lot of beer but I never walked into some else's house. Being an ex-cop she probably won't make many friends in jail.
It's too late for me, save yourself.
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  • Quick&DeadQuick&Dead Member Posts: 1,466 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I heard in Texas, have to serve 60% of the sentence then can get parole.

    :o
    The government has no rights. Only the people have rights which empowers the government.
    We have enough gun laws, what we need is IDIOT control.
    Blood makes you related. Loyalty makes you family.

    I thought getting old would take longer. :shock:
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  • GrasshopperGrasshopper Member Posts: 17,042 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The media played this one up ALWAYS mentioning what color each one was to keep the racial flames churning . Would not have even made the " news" if wasn't for that- Pathetic -
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  • Quick&DeadQuick&Dead Member Posts: 1,466 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Grasshopper wrote:
    The media played this one up ALWAYS mentioning what color each one was to keep the racial flames churning . Would not have even made the " news" if wasn't for that- Pathetic -

    Anyone else find it odd that when a negro kills a white person there is no mention of racial bias nor any marches, protests, riots in the streets/looting or any of the stuff the negros do?
    The government has no rights. Only the people have rights which empowers the government.
    We have enough gun laws, what we need is IDIOT control.
    Blood makes you related. Loyalty makes you family.

    I thought getting old would take longer. :shock:
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  • jimdeerejimdeere Member, Moderator Posts: 26,285 ******
    edited November -1
    She should have been a school teacher. She was sunk from the get go.
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  • spasmcreekspasmcreek Member Posts: 37,717 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    NOT NEAR ENUFF TIME.............
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  • gruntled2gruntled2 Member Posts: 560 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I didn't buy the murder conviction. Manslaughter for sure. She wasn't convicted for what she did but for what she was "thinking". When you read her postings it is certain she is STUPID & should not have been a cop. It should be a lesson for all of us to be careful what we post. You can bet your bottom Dollar that if you ever have to shoot someone they will get your computer & check everything they can find on it.
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  • bustedkneebustedknee Member Posts: 2,001 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    cbxjeff wrote:
    .... I use to drink a lot of beer but I never walked into some else's house....

    Did you ever walk into a job you could not qualify for? Haha. Even when full of beer.
    She should have just run for congress - she's fully qualified for that.


    She must have forgotten, police policy, if you have a burglar in a building, you call for backup. Not shoot 'em!


    2 years max, she will be free.
    I can't believe they misspelled "Pork and Beans!"
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  • DirtyDawgDirtyDawg Member Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Wonder what would have happened if the resident had shot and killed the female intruder threatening him with a firearm?? How many million would he have spent to stay out of jail? Would he even had a fair chance to defend himself in a court of law?
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  • redneckandyredneckandy Member Posts: 9,716 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    gruntled2 wrote:
    I didn't buy the murder conviction. Manslaughter for sure. She wasn't convicted for what she did but for what she was "thinking". When you read her postings it is certain she is STUPID & should not have been a cop. It should be a lesson for all of us to be careful what we post. You can bet your bottom Dollar that if you ever have to shoot someone they will get your computer & check everything they can find on it.
    I do. If someone walked into your house and shot you unprovoked what would you call it?
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  • kissgoodnightkissgoodnight Member Posts: 4,063 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    As I recall, the average time served for murder used to be 7 years.
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  • yoshmysteryoshmyster Member Posts: 22,065 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    spasmcreek wrote:
    NOT NEAR ENUFF TIME.............

    It's not about the time. It's about the pay out.
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  • ProceramicProceramic Member Posts: 334 ✭
    edited November -1
    A perfect example of statism. As long as you wear a costume,you'll be okay and protected with special treatment.
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  • mogley98mogley98 Member Posts: 18,291 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Murder surely wasn't premeditated it seems she may well have accidentally (perhaps more so by influence of alcohol) went into the wrong house and while murder due to negligence i think the situation is a tragedy for all involved.
    Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!
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  • AzAfshinAzAfshin Member Posts: 2,985 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The media has definitely played on the race card to stoke emotions. But the way I see this, is a person is sitting in their home, their place of safety, and another person walks in (why the heck wasn't the door locked?) and shoots them. I don't know the fine legal points between murder, manslaughter, and other nomenclature regarding killing someone else, but this is a clear case of an intruder unjustifiably and without provocation killing someone else in that person's place of residence. 10 years seems not enough. How much time do you think someone should get for just walking into your house and killing you? Does it matter if they are drunk or that they confused your house to be theirs? Doesn't matter to me, I'd want them to rot in jail if not introduced to Tesla's greatest invention.
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  • hillbillehillbille Member Posts: 14,459 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I thought I remembered hearing when this first broke, that they had been dating/living together before this happened, or they had some kind of history, I figured it was a love spat gone bad...... either way to me murder is murder and especially a cop, no way she should have let herself get in that bad a condition, if it was from overtime, just think what she was like patroling the street in that condition........
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  • ruger41ruger41 Member Posts: 14,665 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    hillbille wrote:
    I thought I remembered hearing when this first broke, that they had been dating/living together before this happened, or they had some kind of history, I figured it was a love spat gone bad...... either way to me murder is murder and especially a cop, no way she should have let herself get in that bad a condition, if it was from overtime, just think what she was like patroling the street in that condition........

    She had no history with him but she was having an affair with a married coworker.
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  • spasmcreekspasmcreek Member Posts: 37,717 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    just FNN guess what he would have got if he had shot the cop instead when she came roaring in????????????she was the INTRUDER ...and i do not hide locked in my house 24-7 when i am home ?????? i hope she gets justice in jail.....it was NOT dispensed in court
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  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    I would have bet big money that the jury would have not returned a guilty verdict on murder. The state didn't prove up murder. I figured the jury would find for a lesser included, manslaughter, which would offer the possibility of probation. But there is no telling what a jury will do. Remember the OJ trial?

    I think she has a good shot at a reversal on appeal, or at least a new trial.

    I have little regard and little respect for the jury system as it is. I have ZERO respect for a sitting judge who refuses to allow the jury to hear testimony from the lead investigator in a criminal case. Texas Ranger Armstrong, whose case this was, testified under oath that no crime was committed, but the jury was out of the room, and the judge would not let them hear from Ranger Armstrong. I believe that is a reversible error that will get this conviction overturned on appeal, or at least a new trial.

    Before the trial began, the judge denied the motion from the defense asking for a venue change. That was also wrong, IMNSHO. She should have been tried in Wichita Falls, or Waco, or Amarillo, somewhere far from Dallas and all the negative publicity. Jurors can say they haven't been influenced by what they heard on the news, but how do we know that's the truth?
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  • WarbirdsWarbirds Member Posts: 16,939 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have to disagree with the TX Ranger. I have had plenty of police tell me ignorance of the law or the circumstances does not exempt you from the law.
    You can?t walk next door and shoot your neighbor because you don't know where you are.
    We all know if the tables were turned & this kid shot the cop in her apartment he would be in line for the needle.
    nunn wrote:
    I would have bet big money that the jury would have not returned a guilty verdict on murder. The state didn't prove up murder. I figured the jury would find for a lesser included, manslaughter, which would offer the possibility of probation. But there is no telling what a jury will do. Remember the OJ trial?

    I think she has a good shot at a reversal on appeal, or at least a new trial.

    I have little regard and little respect for the jury system as it is. I have ZERO respect for a sitting judge who refuses to allow the jury to hear testimony from the lead investigator in a criminal case. Texas Ranger Armstrong, whose case this was, testified under oath that no crime was committed, but the jury was out of the room, and the judge would not let them hear from Ranger Armstrong. I believe that is a reversible error that will get this conviction overturned on appeal, or at least a new trial.

    Before the trial began, the judge denied the motion from the defense asking for a venue change. That was also wrong, IMNSHO. She should have been tried in Wichita Falls, or Waco, or Amarillo, somewhere far from Dallas and all the negative publicity. Jurors can say they haven't been influenced by what they heard on the news, but how do we know that's the truth?
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  • wpageabcwpageabc Member Posts: 8,760 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Once again the fake media circus takes a racial case and brings in the clowns to influence a outcome.
    "What is truth?'
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  • cbxjeffcbxjeff Member Posts: 17,637 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I learned today that she will spend her time in solitary. What a surprise. What are the chances that a blond blue eyed ex-leo might get shanked?
    It's too late for me, save yourself.
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  • DirtyDawgDirtyDawg Member Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    KenK/84Bravo wrote:
    cbxjeff wrote:
    I learned today that she will spend her time in solitary. What a surprise. What are the chances that a blond blue eyed ex-leo might get shanked?

    That was a given.

    She will probably still get shanked at some point in the next ten years. A huge target. Solitary and Protection, only goes so far. No one is invincible, beyond reach.

    She is going to learn that.

    She might learn a lot in prison, but the poor soul she shot and killed in his own house because of her negligence, will not enjoy his next birthday, any fellowship with his family & friends, will not celebrate any joy of his hard work and achievements, and of course will never carry on his legacy with children/family/friends/etc. This is so horrible at all levels for everyone involved.
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  • cbxjeffcbxjeff Member Posts: 17,637 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Agree Ken/84.
    It's too late for me, save yourself.
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  • sxsnufsxsnuf Member Posts: 2,952 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Badge or no badge, black, white or yellow, come into my home and shoot me or a loved one, not once, but TWICE?
    I would hope there's a special place in hell for you!
    Perhaps I need to take a page out of the victim's brother's book?
    Arrivederci gigi
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  • 11b6r11b6r Member Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A lot of folks felt this was manslaughter- but the way the law is worded in Texas, it was murder. Different places, different laws.
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  • redhawkk480redhawkk480 Member Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    just read these on another forum , true or not ?

    Key witness Joshua Brown was murdered Friday, 10 days after the testimony.
    In case you missed it: ~~~~ https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/06/us/botham-jean-murder-witness-fatally-shot.html Joshua Brown assassinated

    And now the neighbor who testified has been killed too. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but that's a pretty big * coincidence...

    Also a woman who filmed the victim's last words(asking why he was shot) was fired from her job and the video was confiscated by police. Hm..
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  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,692 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    She is certainly guilty of second degree murder. She should have gotten 35 years to serve.

    She got a break because she is a girl, and a cop.


    Good God what are the hiring standards today in Dallas that someone as unfit as this is given a uniform, a gun, and a badge.
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  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    She is certainly guilty of second degree murder. She should have gotten 35 years to serve.

    She got a break because she is a girl, and a cop.

    Good God what are the hiring standards today in Dallas that someone as unfit as this is given a uniform, a gun, and a badge.

    In Texas, the homicide offense that is a second degree felony is called Manslaughter. The prison penalty for a second degree felony is not less than 2 years, and not more than 20 years.

    Murder is first degree, and then Capital Murder is above that.

    Dallas PD used to be top-of-the heap, but Affirmative Action and liberal policies have ruined it. Amber Guyger was hired by Dallas PD, but I could not have been, ever, because I didn't have quite enough college. Go figure. Dallas PD's pay is crappy anyway.
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  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Regardless of the definition of murder in the State of Texas, it is difficult not to believe that she thought she was in her apartment, and thus the shooting was based upon her believing that she was dealing with an intruder. Negligent homicide seems to fit the bill as well as anything.

    Ida Done probably would have recommended backing out of the apartment and calling for back up.

    A stupid mistake that ended one life and disrupted a number of others.

    IMO, ten years seems reasonable.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
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  • spasmcreekspasmcreek Member Posts: 37,717 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    if this is NOT MURDER then nothing is....and the token sentence which was delivered with a ribbon and a bow around it is a travesty ......wonder if this will start a number of get even "accidents" .......i hope she gets jailhouse justice.... sure as hell was NOT delivered by the legal system
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  • jimdeerejimdeere Member, Moderator Posts: 26,285 ******
    edited November -1
    Agree with Don. Without the gun, she would have ran out and called for help. Now, she will not be permitted to own a gun.
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  • yoshmysteryoshmyster Member Posts: 22,065 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I see no mention of "white privilege" are the wronged family marching on the streets yet? Or are they waiting for the wrongful death amount before voicing out their "out rage"?
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  • mjrfd99mjrfd99 Member Posts: 4,553 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Live by the sword....

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joshua-brown-murder-dallas-police-identify-suspects-amber-guyger-witness-killing-murder-2019-10-08/
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  • bambihunterbambihunter Member Posts: 10,792 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    mogley98 wrote:
    Murder surely wasn't premeditated it seems she may well have accidentally (perhaps more so by influence of alcohol) went into the wrong house and while murder due to negligence i think the situation is a tragedy for all involved.

    I agree. Most likely not premeditated, but still murder none-the-less.
    Fanatic collector of the 10mm auto.
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  • BrookwoodBrookwood Member, Moderator Posts: 13,768 ******
    edited November -1
    I'm not saying that I agree with the sentencing of 10 years here but if you check out what most convicted murderers get in ACTUAL time served, you will see 7 years comes up quite often. :shock:

    7 years for the perp and the victim loses everything life had to offer. It is no wonder that there are so many murders happening today. :evil:
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  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    She was sentenced by the jury, who actually heard the evidence. So apparently they found some mitigating information in this incident, and the sentence was unanimous. She likely got about the same, or more time in prison than the drunk driver that hits another innocent head on and kills them.
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