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U.S. Military pulls out of Syria

Quick&DeadQuick&Dead Member Posts: 1,466 ✭✭
edited October 2019 in General Discussion
The news media is making a big deal of this story .. that President Trump orders the withdrawl of U.S. troops from Syria.

Anyone notice they fail to mention the U.S. only has 50 troops in Syria ?

I'm sure those 50 soldiers are no match for the thousands of Turkey troops and armaments available.

But the media claims removing those 50 troops will lead to chaos in Syria.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
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  • Quick&DeadQuick&Dead Member Posts: 1,466 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Pentagon Denies Being 'Blindsided' After Trump Pulls Troops Out of Northern Syria
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    The Pentagon issued a statement on Tuesday denying they were caught off guard when President Trump ordered U.S. troops out of northern Syria.

    The White House announced late Sunday night the withdrawal is occurring because "Turkey will soon be moving forward with its long-planned operation into Northern Syria" and the United States will not be involved. It was reported the Pentagon was "completely blindsided" by the order.

    Trump had a phone call with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Sunday to finalize the pullout.

    "Despite continued misreporting to the contrary, Secretary Esper and Chairman Milley were consulted over the last several days by the President regarding the situation and efforts to protect U.S. forces in northern Syria in the face of military action by Turkey," Chief Pentagon Spokesman Jonathan Hoffman said.

    "The Department's position has been and remains that establishing a safe zone in northern Syria is the best path forward to maintaining stability," he continued. "Unfortunately, Turkey has chosen to act unilaterally. As a result, we have moved the U.S. forces in northern Syria out of the path of potential Turkish incursion to ensure their safety. We have made no changes to our force presence in Syria at this time."


    Amid a wave of backlash from both Republicans and Democrats, Trump defended the decision because he says he was voted to stop U.S. involvement in "endless wars."

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  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It seems Turkey told Trump we are coming in whether you are there or not, and Trump pulled back.

    The Kurds are a problem for Erdogan, and no doubt some of what we supply to the Iraqi and Syrian Kurds has made it way to Turkish Kurds in their bid for independence.

    At some point, Turkey will have to be kicked out of NATO, as they are certainly not behaving in the best interest of the alliance. Until that point, we need to treat them like the ally they supposedly are.

    On the plus side, if Erdogan is serious in his claim that he is going after all terrorist groups, including iswas, those thousands of iswas fighters currently being held by the Kurds may be killed outright.

    As they should have been instead of being captured.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

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  • jimdeerejimdeere Member, Moderator Posts: 26,285 ******
    edited November -1
    Since when did Presidents make military decisions without consulting military leaders?
    How about never?
    Well, maybe Andy Jackson, or U. S. Grant.
  • ruger41ruger41 Member Posts: 14,665 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I once knew a survivor of the Armenian genocide when he was a child. The Turks are cancer. Why we ever became friendly with them is beyond me. The Kurds are going to be slaughtered. Trumps warning to them is meaningless.
  • mogley98mogley98 Member Posts: 18,291 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    America has no business being anywhere the people don't want us to help them and further if we do need to go to war somewhere than it should be swift and terrible you know like Sherman supporters from the North like.
    Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    jimdeere wrote:
    Since when did Presidents make military decisions without consulting military leaders?
    How about never?
    Well, maybe Andy Jackson, or U. S. Grant.

    Why would you think there was no consultation with the Pentagon?
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • mogley98mogley98 Member Posts: 18,291 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Turks destroyed Allies in Gallipoli better watch out for them
    Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!
  • Sam06Sam06 Member Posts: 21,244 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am not opposed of pulling our Soldiers out but I hate to see us screw over the Kurds. We have been just about the only country that has done them even half way right.

    I worked with the Kurds several times and I like them they are much more honorable and trustworthy than any arab I have ever met.
    RLTW

  • wpageabcwpageabc Member Posts: 8,760 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Would another Benghazi been better for our troops?
    "What is truth?'
  • jimdeerejimdeere Member, Moderator Posts: 26,285 ******
    edited November -1
    jimdeere wrote:
    Since when did Presidents make military decisions without consulting military leaders?
    How about never?
    Well, maybe Andy Jackson, or U. S. Grant.

    Why would you think there was no consultation with the Pentagon?
    I was referring to the nay sayers in the media.
  • HessianHessian Member Posts: 248
    edited November -1
    I remember saying six months ago the Turks want everything north of the Euphrates river and most scoffed at me. They also want the Iraqi northern oil fields. And they are also eyeing the headwaters of the Jordan River. Hey if I can figure it out so can the Pentagon and/or the President. If they control both the Jordan River and Euphrates they have Syria, Irag, Jordan, Lebanon and Isreal by the balls.

    Turks control the headwaters of the Euphrates now and have them damed. This is a large part of the reason for the civil war in Syria. When there was a dry period the Turks used much of the water for themselves and displaced the farmers farther down the Euphrates in Syria to the cities. Most of the farmers were Baathists (socialists).

    Most people really don't realize the depth of the hate of the Turks towards the Kurds. They really hate each other, the last generation more so than this generation, but the hate is still there. Most Turks in my age group spit on the ground before they say the word Kurd.

    The Turks have the U.S. over a barrel, incirlik airbase is important and the Turks have been using it as leverage for decades.

    Another no-win situation, damned if do damned if you don't.

    Erdogan is seriously pissed at the U.S. for supporting the last coup attempt in Turkey.

    Side note; I always laugh when the Democrats spout the nonsense about foreign involvement in U.S. elections and get all outraged. The U.S. mixes in everybody elses elections, Putin, Erdogan, Ukraine and many more.
  • Quick&DeadQuick&Dead Member Posts: 1,466 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    mogley98 wrote:
    America has no business being anywhere the people don't want us to help them and further if we do need to go to war somewhere than it should be swift and terrible you know like Sherman supporters from the North like.




    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^I agree with this.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


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  • sharpshooter039sharpshooter039 Member Posts: 5,897 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    When 2 different groups are your allies and they go at each other,,, who decides which Allie we should support or should we just get out of the way
  • Quick&DeadQuick&Dead Member Posts: 1,466 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    When 2 different groups are your allies and they go at each other,,, who decides which Allie we should support or should we just get out of the way

    Simply step out and let the "world peace keeper" NATO handle it.
    :lol:
    The government has no rights. Only the people have rights which empowers the government.
    We have enough gun laws, what we need is IDIOT control.
    Blood makes you related. Loyalty makes you family.

    I thought getting old would take longer. :shock:
  • drl50drl50 Member Posts: 2,496
    edited November -1
    Quick&Dead wrote:
    The news media is making a big deal of this story .. that President Trump orders the withdrawl of U.S. troops from Syria.

    Anyone notice they fail to mention the U.S. only has 50 troops in Syria ?

    I'm sure those 50 soldiers are no match for the thousands of Turkey troops and armaments available.

    But the media claims removing those 50 troops will lead to chaos in Syria.

    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
    The job description of those U.S. Army Special Forces operators was to train indigenous fighters (The Kurds) in the use of special weapons provided by us and to coordinate U.S. artillery and air support in the fight against isis. Taking that away suddenly without a transition plan removes 75% of their defensive capability, hangs them out to dry and is triggering a refugee crisis for people who trusted us. This is becoming the new american image. No military or political consultant would consider this shrewd. In fact it will go down historically as a military embarassment.
  • 4205raymond4205raymond Member Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    50 troops? Everything I read says 1000 Special Forces Troops.
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    drl50 wrote:
    Quick&Dead wrote:
    The news media is making a big deal of this story .. that President Trump orders the withdrawl of U.S. troops from Syria.

    Anyone notice they fail to mention the U.S. only has 50 troops in Syria ?

    I'm sure those 50 soldiers are no match for the thousands of Turkey troops and armaments available.

    But the media claims removing those 50 troops will lead to chaos in Syria.

    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
    The job description of those U.S. Army Special Forces operators was to train indigenous fighters (The Kurds) in the use of special weapons provided by us and to coordinate U.S. artillery and air support in the fight against isis. Taking that away suddenly without a transition plan removes 75% of their defensive capability, hangs them out to dry and is triggering a refugee crisis for people who trusted us. This is becoming the new american image. No military or political consultant would consider this shrewd. In fact it will go down historically as a military embarassment.

    The Pentagon has been on notice for well over a year that were to put together a plan to remove US Forces from Syria.

    It was over six months ago that the Pentagon missed the requested time table and Trump threatened to pull them out anyway. The Kurds, (as well as the rest of the world) were well aware of this, and were well aware of the intention of our President, and the potential repercussions of this action. The neo-con and leftist mantra (and no, I am not labeling you personally) that this is somehow unexpected or unforeseen is laughable. If a transition plan is not in place, it is because the Pentagon and the Kurds made a decision not to put one in place.

    We should have been out of Syria months ago. We should never have been in Syria. Our support for the SDF is more than a fight against iswas. The mission of the SDF is primarily to create an autonomous Kurdish dominated region in Northern and Northeastern Syria and ultimately Northwestern Iraq. To a large degree, the existence of the SDF (and our support of it) contributed to the growth of iswas in Syria, as it undermined Assad's power in the region vis-a-vis iswas.

    We also hear about 1,000s or 10s of thousands of isis fighters imprisoned by the Kurds that may be set free. I sincerely doubt Erdoqan would tolerate isis, and would not be surprised (or dismayed) if the Turkish Army finds a reason to slaughter these sub-human detainees, something I would thing the Kurds would have already done absent our presence.

    So, should we wait another year, two years, three years, ten years supporting the conditions that keep the Syrian Civil War going? How many people will die over those years, as compared to what is going to happen now in hopefully fairly quick fashion?

    Let Turkey, Syria, and Russia pay for the extermination of isis. We have done our part, and it is time we got the hell out of the area.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • Sam06Sam06 Member Posts: 21,244 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    One thing to remember is there are several factions of the Kurds.

    The KDP is the main on and is an ally or at least was an ally of the uS and these are the guys we have been training, them and subsets of the KDP.

    The PKK is a chinese communist terrorist organization who have been at was with Turkey for 40 years.

    There is no love lost between the Kurds and the Turks and vice a versa.
    RLTW

  • dpmuledpmule Member Posts: 6,746 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Things already getting interesting in the area.
    just had job offer out of Erbil Kurdistan Iraq.



    Mule
  • hillbillehillbille Member Posts: 14,459 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    dpmule wrote:
    Things already getting interesting in the area.
    just had job offer out of Erbil Kurdistan Iraq.



    Mule
    good luck, but no amount of money would get me over there now or in future....
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sam06 wrote:
    I am not opposed of pulling our Soldiers out but I hate to see us screw over the Kurds. We have been just about the only country that has done them even half way right.

    I worked with the Kurds several times and I like them they are much more honorable and trustworthy than any arab I have ever met.
    Same here.
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • Pure bamaPure bama Member Posts: 40
    edited November -1
    We need to bring the boys home....18 year wars...Trump is keeping his promise...
  • mjrfd99mjrfd99 Member Posts: 4,553 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Pure bama wrote:
    We need to bring the boys home....18 year wars...Trump is keeping his promise...
    Yep.... but......
    No matter what he does the d-rats will go ape s*** crazy trying make him look bad.
    NO ONE lies more than d-rats and their LSM filth.
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