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Vaping product ban

Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,437 ******
edited October 2019 in General Discussion
Washington state just enacted a ban on the sale of flavored vaping products.

I feel so much safer now that another freedom has been taken away that I just can't describe it.

Imagine being this safe in 2019.
Some will die in hot pursuit
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
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  • hillbillehillbille Member Posts: 14,459 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    someone has to look out for you, just to keep you perfect........
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  • jimdeerejimdeere Member, Moderator Posts: 26,285 ******
    edited November -1
    No problem. Just buy yourself a $10 pack of Marlboros. Eight of those dollars will go to the government that protects you from yourself.
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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,529 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    South Carolina ban
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  • SCOUT5SCOUT5 Member Posts: 16,181 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You can transport beer to one state and vaping supplies to another, toss in some out of state lottery tickets and you might be able to quit your day job.
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  • 35 Whelen35 Whelen Member Posts: 14,307 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    GreatGuns wrote:
    It's just your local gubment looking out for the adjacent states. With Missoula a mere 2 hour drive (if you stay within the speed limit) from Spokane, Washingtonions (sp?) will be spending their hard earned, or trust-fund cash here. :o

    Jim



    Apparently our governor took it seriously, because we get a 120-day ban on the stuff, starting Oct. 22.
    An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.
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  • AzAfshinAzAfshin Member Posts: 2,985 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    And all because some idiots bought blackmarket THC pods to vape. But noooooo, let's not blame the responsible parties, let's blame it on all vapers and take away the one thing that helps people quit smoking the best.

    BTW, the lobbying push is mostly backed by big pharma. They're seeing drops in number of people dying to smoking and want everyone to go back to smoking instead of vaping.
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  • bullshotbullshot Member Posts: 14,721 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What's wrong with banning the sale of something that kills young people?
    "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you"
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  • dfletcherdfletcher Member Posts: 8,179 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    bullshot wrote:
    What's wrong with banning the sale of something that kills young people?


    Tobacco, alcohol and vaping products can be prohibited for use by anyone fewer than 18 years old. Usually are, yes? When they're 18 yrs old, able to sign up for military service, sign contracts, get married, in some states do CCW how about we expect them to not smoke or get loaded, to not stuff MJ or other detris into a product like a vaping cartridge and injure themselves? How about expecting them to use the product as it was designed, or not at all, and to not monkey with it? Too much to expect nowadays?

    The lack of accountability for those misusing the product, and the way it's being reported, is just astounding to me. You have to look hard & long to learn the most often found common denominator in this whole mess is people misusing the product with MJ. It's reminiscent of the many "gun violence" stories we read that leave out the "felon in possession" or the "child" doing the shooting is a 15 year old gang banger.

    I don't vape. I think it's silly. If that's what someone wants to do, OK. If the want to load up with MJ, fine by me too. Just don't expect any sympathy or legislation when something goes bad.
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  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,437 ******
    edited November -1
    bullshot wrote:
    What's wrong with banning the sale of something that kills young people?

    Why do you hate freedom? Do tell.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
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  • dfletcherdfletcher Member Posts: 8,179 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    GreatGuns wrote:
    Mr. Perfect wrote:
    bullshot wrote:
    What's wrong with banning the sale of something that kills young people?

    Why do you hate freedom? Do tell.

    Wow! :roll:

    I believe you have it backwards. This isn't about the consumer (end user). This is about scumbag businesses "knowingly" selling a toxic product. I guess you're also opposed to laws against crack dealers too. Seeing that there's no safe guidelines for it's production, why should it matter, right? Let them smoke poison and die, control the population and clean the gene pool at the same time, right? The world isn't perfect. ;)

    Jim

    * I believe this purported "ban" is also intended to allow the FDA and CDC to "figure it out," if they can. ;)

    The product these "scumbags" sell isn't injuring people when used as directed. The product is being deliberately manipulated and often in violation of the law regarding recreational use of MJ. To rail against them, it seems to me, is no different than anti-gunners who go after Bushmaster for selling a perfectly legal product through an authorized dealer, when it's used by a bad guy in a manner not prescribed by the manufacturer. Or against an FFL who follows all the rules, then finds himself sued because little Jimmy shot someone, accidentally or on purpose.

    There's no daylight between the mindset of "ban vaping" and "ban guns". In fact, with vaping the manufacturer can assert as a defense their product is tampered with in order to do harm, something gun manufacturers cannot claim.
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  • buschmasterbuschmaster Member Posts: 14,229 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    GreatGuns wrote:
    I believe you have it backwards. This isn't about the consumer (end user). This is about scumbag businesses "knowingly" selling a toxic product.
    I'd have to agree with that. I tried vaping for a while, gave me a chronic cough and phlegm balls. searched about it on the internet, mfr's were saying "oh, it's just your lungs getting used to it"... bullcrap. and that makes them scumbags. not like I see people dropping like flies because of vaping but there's something to it, and at the very least the mfr's are willfully ignoring the problems.
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  • dfletcherdfletcher Member Posts: 8,179 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    GreatGuns wrote:
    I won't argue over this, I don't have a dog in the fight. However, you are misinformed. It's entirely about the uncontrolled products and their unclean manufacturing. About as much related to gun control as leash laws. If you don't like laws, you don't like laws. If you don't like government, you don't like laws. Life's a * and then you die. ;)

    Jim

    I don't either, have a dog in this fight. I took your comment to mean legitimate manufacturers. But if "scumbag manufacturers" means those pirating or covertly making deliberately adulterated capsules/cartridges (whatever they're called) I agree. So far as those major manufacturers selling the product above board - folks can either use them as the manufacturer intended or decline. Just like cigarettes. A person has to be pretty thick nowadays to figure taking anything burning or heated into one's lungs isn't harmful in some way. And for individuals who deliberately adulterate the product for their own use - their risk, their consequences.
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  • bustedkneebustedknee Member Posts: 2,001 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I read somewhere that there have been 6 deaths due to vaping!

    Something must be done! And it needs to be done now!



    We can then move on to other dangerous habits and wipe them out as well.

    Who knows where all this may lead, smoking tobacco could be unhealthy as well?
    If we do the research I'll bet we find multiple deaths from tobacco smoke.
    If we outlaw smoking tobacco, we may possibly save a hundred lives.

    Does AOC know about this?


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  • yoshmysteryoshmyster Member Posts: 22,058 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Is "THC" a flavor? It's not like they buy that for the flavor right?
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  • wpageabcwpageabc Member Posts: 8,760 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Chainsaws and circular saws are dangerous too. Smoking causes cancer and circulation problems thats why there are warning labels on cigarette packs.

    People have the right to make thier own decisions about personal things. This is a free country. Like wearing a helmet on a motorcycle. Let the individual decide what they want to do.
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  • mjrfd99mjrfd99 Member Posts: 4,553 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    LOL When the Don loses, you'll have more bans than commie china. :lol:
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  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,437 ******
    edited November -1
    buschmaster wrote:
    GreatGuns wrote:
    I believe you have it backwards. This isn't about the consumer (end user). This is about scumbag businesses "knowingly" selling a toxic product.
    I'd have to agree with that. I tried vaping for a while, gave me a chronic cough and phlegm balls. searched about it on the internet, mfr's were saying "oh, it's just your lungs getting used to it"... bullcrap. and that makes them scumbags. not like I see people dropping like flies because of vaping but there's something to it, and at the very least the mfr's are willfully ignoring the problems.

    And yet, you had the choice to buy or not. Freedom.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
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  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,437 ******
    edited November -1
    I love how the freedom haters work their way out of the woodwork when a topic on freedom comes up. It's good to know who the enemy is.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
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  • bambihunterbambihunter Member Posts: 10,792 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am in I.T. and one of our contracts used to be a local vape chain. I had been there numerous times and everything seemed normal. Then, one day I was in there and the guy asked me to go to the lobby for a few minutes. He donned on a Tyvex suit, put on respirator and visor, then put on thin latex gloves, followed by these past the elbow gloves. He did some pouring, measuring, mixing, etc then came back to get me. I asked him what that was all about. He said they get the liquid nicotine and it is so concentrated it can kill you by absorption through your skin. :o
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  • buddybbuddyb Member Posts: 5,393 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Some things are individual freedom,some things are an I.Q. test.
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  • ProceramicProceramic Member Posts: 334 ✭
    edited November -1
    Mr. Perfect wrote:
    I love how the freedom haters work their way out of the woodwork when a topic on freedom comes up. It's good to know who the enemy is.

    Exactly! Cracks me up when they say, "I don't have a dog in this fight",but..... there should be a law!!... LMAO
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  • Okie743Okie743 Member Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Open carry next month in Okla. (without any training or permit)

    Medical Marijuana Ok with a permit. (for medicinal purposes only) ;)

    Anyone can go topless. ( kinda like this one, but maybe they should put a weight limit on people that can go topless) Seems to be mostly fat women and that hurts my eyes, but they might look better after a few beers or a dose of marijuana vaping ;)

    I've been practicing my FAST DRAW. (getting better each day) I can fan my single action revolver now with the extension I welded on the hammer and the trigger tied down. Hope my mod is legal.

    Happy trails. ;)

    NRA Member
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  • hobo9650hobo9650 Member Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Your freedom (rights) end where mine begin.

    Example: Druggies rush to call 911 when someone OD's. 911 dispatches fire dept and police to save their sorry * while all expenses, including hospital, is funded by taxpayer.

    In my dream world there would be no emergency response on KNOWN OD cases. The druggies know their limits. Do the drugs, receive the rewards.

    Course some liberal AH thinks people have a right to free stuff. I don't. Earn your own way.
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  • ProceramicProceramic Member Posts: 334 ✭
    edited November -1
    So if or when YOUR daughter/son/grandchild etc has a drug problem and od's, screw em,let em die?


    hobo9650 wrote:
    Your freedom (rights) end where mine begin.

    Example: Druggies rush to call 911 when someone OD's. 911 dispatches fire dept and police to save their sorry * while all expenses, including hospital, is funded by taxpayer.

    In my dream world there would be no emergency response on KNOWN OD cases. The druggies know their limits. Do the drugs, receive the rewards.

    Course some liberal AH thinks people have a right to free stuff. I don't. Earn your own way.
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  • buschmasterbuschmaster Member Posts: 14,229 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Mr. Perfect wrote:
    buschmaster wrote:
    GreatGuns wrote:
    I believe you have it backwards. This isn't about the consumer (end user). This is about scumbag businesses "knowingly" selling a toxic product.
    I'd have to agree with that. I tried vaping for a while, gave me a chronic cough and phlegm balls. searched about it on the internet, mfr's were saying "oh, it's just your lungs getting used to it"... bullcrap. and that makes them scumbags. not like I see people dropping like flies because of vaping but there's something to it, and at the very least the mfr's are willfully ignoring the problems.

    And yet, you had the choice to buy or not. Freedom.
    no, this is more along the lines of a used car dealer selling you a car that he knows the transmission is going out but of course he wants to sell it and make money. would you call that freedom to buy a lemon? no, you would call that a ripoff. and that's what we got here.
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  • jimdeerejimdeere Member, Moderator Posts: 26,285 ******
    edited November -1
    Mr. Perfect wrote:
    I love how the freedom haters work their way out of the woodwork when a topic on freedom comes up. It's good to know who the enemy is.

    I call them ?Molon Maybe?s?.
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  • hobo9650hobo9650 Member Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It's call responsibility. Being responsible for your actions.

    If someone wants to kill themselves, why stop them. Been down that road too many times.

    Vape, smoke or kill yourself I don't care. Just don't come crying for help after you have ODed several times..
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  • roswellnativeroswellnative Member Posts: 10,195 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It?s the black market products that are causing trouble
    Although always described as a cowboy, Roswellnative generally acts as a righter of wrongs or bodyguard of some sort, where he excels thanks to his resourcefulness and incredible gun prowesses.
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  • Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 40,233 ***** Forums Admin
    edited November -1
    jimdeere wrote:
    Mr. Perfect wrote:
    I love how the freedom haters work their way out of the woodwork when a topic on freedom comes up. It's good to know who the enemy is.

    I call them ?Molon Maybe?s?.

    Yep, many of them on this site.......
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  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The latest findings are that the deaths are being caused by cyanide burns to the lungs; it comes from heating hydrogen cyanide, an ingredient found in herbicides.

    But, hydrogen cyanide is also found in trace amounts in tobacco smoke. So, where is it coming from?

    I think that they will identify the source pretty soon. I don't know anything about vaping, but always assumed that the cartridges from the factory were sealed. Maybe they are, but "refills" are priced cheap enough that folks on a budget will take a chance.

    I live near a state licensed marijuana grow house & lab. They grow the pot hydroponically, so that don't have to worry about weeds & insects in soil. The state tests everything they produce, & any trace of herbicide or insecticide will result in a batch being seized & destroyed.

    I'm sticking with bourbon; haven't had a bad bottle yet.

    Neal
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