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Does anyone really consider this hunting?
penguin1
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Cultivate a food plot
Build a tree stand
deposit a pile of corn near your stand on the food plot
arm yourself with a 30 caliber boomer of a gun
Equipped with a 12 power scope
supported by an adjustable gun rest
wear camo for who knows what reason
I think not.
Then shoot a deer and while it is thrashing around on your corn on your food plot congratulate yourself on what a great hunter you are
Build a tree stand
deposit a pile of corn near your stand on the food plot
arm yourself with a 30 caliber boomer of a gun
Equipped with a 12 power scope
supported by an adjustable gun rest
wear camo for who knows what reason
I think not.
Then shoot a deer and while it is thrashing around on your corn on your food plot congratulate yourself on what a great hunter you are
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I don't consider that "Hunting" but if you are going to eat the animal you killed I don't have a real problem with it.
In westerns states there are large tracts of public land where a man can stalk. If I deer hunt an 80 acre lot there isn't much stalking and what there is isn't very effective. I have to set up a stand, ground blind, or at least find a natural hide of some sort and wait for deer to pass through. If I do still hunt in an area with some acreage I am moving along slowly and pausing, usually next to a tree, that is really a series of mini stands.
Then there is the game in the area you hunt in and the terrain. Hunting mule deer on the high plains is much different than hunting whitetails in an eastern wood lot. Hunting rabbits is different based on the same factors.
It is illegal to bait for deer, birds or most game critters here in Indiana. However it is legal to bait traps and you certainly aren't going to catch much if you don't bait.
Where does hunting start or end? Does it start with bare hands and end at anything beyond that? Does it stop with a sharpened stick? How about a hand made bow and arrow? Does iron sights on a black powder muzzle loader qualify and a scoped modern rifle not?
IMO hunting is being able to adapt the methods needed to harvest the game in the area you are in. If someone believes different that's their privilege, I'm not going to hold it against them.
I like venison but if I have to be careful to do everything exactly the way Grandpa or the Neanderthals did it depending on how far back you want to go, venison moves from one of my favorites to not worth the trouble.
There are ways to prove your manhood other than deer hunting. Some people around here ?go golfing?. It?s my understanding that?s a real man?s sport. You aren?t allowed to use a gun. You have to buy special clubs to beat the golf to death. Some folks have clubs that were special made for them. From the little I know about golfing it appears you don?t keep the whole animal, you cut off his balls and the remainder of the animal is waste. I?ve never tried it, but it looks to me like no matter how long you boil those golf balls they would be terribly chewy and hard to swallow and then lay in your belly for days.
I still need to give some thought to how to prepare the meat. Do I skin the deer or just eat him hide on. Now I wonder if I should use fire to cook it.
I think I need to give this thing a little more thought. There are a few things I actually like about technology.
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Sounds like what my two sons and two grandsons (17 YO hunting and 7 YO just going along) and I are preparing to do in Kansas in December.
These Stands are strategically postitioned over 13,000 acres, they have multiple automatic corn feeders in places for the deer and pheasants and multiple food plots that border agricultural ground and are on deer travel routes.
Does this mean it's a guarantee?
Probably not for the size of Buck I'm seeking, but it does heighten the probability of seeing a shooter buck, however it will be near 100% on the doe tag that Kansas gives along with my buck tag,
It's different type of hunting than I'm used to and for for the first time ever I will sit in a proper blind or blinds,not something that I've constructed out of pine boughs and limbs durIng black bear hunts over bait.
It's not a canned high fence hunt, so I'm good with it and looking forward to spending the week with my boys on a hunt that I don't have to pack a half a dozen mules and cut and split firewood.
Do I consider it a "Hunt" ? Yes, because that's they way they do it there.
Mule
He's looking for proof not opinions.
I hunted bears a lot and had killed close to a couple dozen and was totally against baiting.
Bunch of lazy undeserving slobs!
It took me a couple years to come around and give it a try.
I have never worked so hard for a bear. Build a blind, build the bait station, stock the bait station and keep it stocked, fight the bugs, etc. All this must be a specified distance from any dwelling.
Turns out this method of hunting increased the bear population significtly. Hunters can became more selective and now take the old boars - boars kill cubs!
So I suspect hunting deer over bait may have some hidden results.
A deer killed under the pear tree won't get hit by a car. A deer shot in the yard will get eaten rather than be wasted in the forest after starving to death. Selective culling will improve the genetics of the herd. Some newcomers may be introduced to the sport - success works.
People without land or short on time can make use of baiting.
But you are correct about the slobs. They will make a mess, kill over the limit, and never know the thrill of spending time with nature.
LMAO, it's good to have you back James
I purchase a vehicle - hopefully for somewhere around $8,000 - to $10,000.
I insure said vehicle - usually with a $1,000 deductible.
I carefully plan a route - normally using well traveled and defined roads.
I set my cruise control - at the posted speed limit.
I drive my planned route at the posted speed limit until I manage to hit a deer - without making any attempts to avoid the collision.
If I am lucky this will successfully cause exactly $998 in damage to my vehicle.
I do not wear camouflage during this activity - sometimes I even wear a suit and tie.
Usually the deer limps off the road and runs into the corn field - occasionally he will end up in the middle of the road - thus allowing the next driver to hit it also.
I do not purchase a hunting permit to kill the animal. The state doesn't consider the animal to be their property in these circumstances. It is only their property, if I am using a gun and DO NOT purchase a hunting permit. Then, of course, they fine me, take my gun, and probably my vehicle.
If I feel like it, I might stop at McDonalds on the way home and get a cheeseburger and fries.
That?s the way I roll.
Some physically handicapped people may have no other choice but to hunt that way. If a paraplegic veteran hunts in this manner, I would not disparage his "hunt" by calling it a harvest. As we all get older should we continue to get out and enjoy the taking of a deer or stay at home so as not to affront the sensibilities of the guys who still hunt / stalk deer? Are there slob hunters who do this? Yes, just like there are slob hunters who hunt in other ways.
While I have never participated in a deer drive, they are common in some areas of the country. Do you consider this hunting? Just like baiting it is not for me but I will not condemn others for hunting in this way. The numbers of hunters is on the decline and we should encourage more people to get out there and not attach a stigma to any legal hunting method. Bob
Believe me the flightless bird has mounds of dung all around. They are a "dirty bird" I believe.
Hunting over bait - this is really harvesting, and isn't really "sporting" or sport hunting but certainly has its place. As pointed out about bears in Alaska, it increases traffic of animals to a specific spot so that you can selectively cull by gender, age, etc. Either for managing a population on a high fence place or just in general. This falls apart when you start discussing birds, migratory birds (waterfowl, doves), and other small game where determining specifics of an animal and making a decision before making a shot isn't really possible or practical. I can easily see allowing harvesting deer over a pile of corn under the conditions that X number of does are taken, or X number of younger/older bucks, or similar. This is about effective management of a population - either the state has to pay someone to do it, or they can get someone to pay *them* for the permission to do it. I know which I'd rather my taxes cover....
Having acreage and setting up food plots, shelter areas, etc. on a lease, on your farm, or on your 2 acre plot that backs up to a national forrest,etc. or being able to pop a deer from the living room couch that is eating from the fruit tree in the back yard or that is noshing on the wife's veggie garden is a cross between hunting and harvesting, and it also includes helping nature out by providing resources to all sorts of critters other than your intended Friday night dinner. Not much different from sinking christmas trees in a pond to create structure. If it is a year-round resource (or at least in-season-for-what-it-is, ie I don't expect apples in a orchard in March or blue berries in November) and would self-maintain (ie you aren't filling a container every week) then it is just a place that is in nature and has a slightly better chance of having your target species available.
True sport hunting - stalking or in a stand/blind, in a wide open/low fence area that is not specifically groomed (maintained food plots, etc) for hunting. Maybe over "natural" bait - be stupid not to try for bear near a berry patch at the right time of year, or to set up a blind/stand near a water source or over looking a heavily used trail to a water source, etc. Or even to stalk along said trail. Determinign where these resources are and exploiting them are a part of hunting/fishing.
Not sure on hitting a deer with a car - I know in some states you are allowed to or even required to keep it but when I hit one here in Fl 6 days after deer season ended a few years ago when I was getting a report from FHP for insurance I asked about harvesting it, trooper told me not allowed. Wasn't really in the mood to deal with it at midnight anyway, so I didn't push the issue and ask for more info or why not.
As to how primitive you want to get.... well, I know a guy who served in SE Asia in the late 60s but claimed to have not spent a lot of time in VN itself. When he returned, rifle hunting for deer had really just become harvesting for him. So he went to shorter range w/ shotgun only. A few years later, to pistol. Then bow. Last I talked to him (10 years or so ago) he admitted that he would now just go out with a big knife on a clear and bright night and get his deer, but it was now a challenge again. I happened to have a FWC officer as a student 3 years ago and asked him what he would do if he discovered this guy at the end of a hunt and he admitted that while it was against the letter of the law, it was certainly within the spirit of the law and as long as guy had proper licenses and stamps he'd look the other way over the actual method of taking.
And I'm stealing the golf thing
Catfish noodling or nothing.
It's been a bit over 1/2 a century since I shot my first deer while freezing my butt off standing next to an oak tree with nothing but will power to carry me through the waiting. Back then, it was the only way we knew.
Wow you have some great shooters to hit them from that distance.
Hillbille, Your hunting methods are almost the same as mine with the exception of the corn feeder. For many years here in Michigan we were allowed to use bait in small amounts daily, but starting this season bait has been outlawed.
I hunt on my own wooded 6 acre plot of land where my home is also located. The surrounding land is all wooded private property with no other dwellings within a half a mile or so. The woodlands here are set among vast Amish farm lands and there are a lot of fat, healthy white tails running about. A major deer trail crosses my place very close to my property border, so I set my permanent blind structure up facing this trail atop a plateau hilltop.
If it weren't for all of the comforts my shooting shack provides, this old guy would have been out of the "hunting" game a long time ago! I both envy and admire those hunters who are able to walk and stalk their game in places where horrid weather and rough terrain ensue. I was once among you. I still consider myself a hunter even using my methods and have at least made it a bit more sporting by only utilizing flintlock long rifles and patched round balls propelled with black powder. I still even get to use my tracking skills on occasion to find a running kill. I just do it slower these days. That is slow with precision!
Some use a scenario like yours and imply the worst. Personally, I think that is MUCH better than the guided "high fence" option.
The more sporting a person wants to be, they will artificially set their ideal way of hunting. When I first started hunting, I used a scoped rifle. Then, as I got better, and more experienced, I wanted more of a challenge. Since lived near the area I hunted, I used to hunt archery. Then, I blew out my shoulder, so I went to crossbow after my surgery. Once we moved away, I needed a higher chance at success since I had less than a week (generally took 3 days off plus the weekend). I worked retail at the time and they preferred us taking vacations further away from the holidays in the fall. So, since I had always loved muzzleloaders and the season used to be mid-September, that became my new challenge. I used to always stalk hunt and about 45 yards seemed to be the magic distance. Then, many back surgeries later, numbness in my lower extremities mean that constantly tripping in the brush was the new normal. So, I moved back to rifle. I am limited too on the amount of time I can sit in a deer stand. I have to carry stuff with me to give me back support. We built all our ladder stands and box blinds. We made them in a way that can hide back support for the stands, or tall enough to stand in the blind.
A personal story.
This warden approached me and my brother-in-law as we were walking out on private land. He was asking about the neighbor. Asking if we had seen him doing anything illegal, hunting from a vehicle, baiting deer, etc. After we clarified which one, I told him I hadn't seen him ever do anything I'd consider illegal or unethical. I said that several times, in the same way.
Here's why:
This farmer is probably in his very late 60's or more likely mid-70's. He's farmed that same stretch since he was a kid and it was previously his parents farm. He runs cattle on most of that half-section (~320 acres). On opening morning, he drives the tractor out and feeds the cows the exact same way he does the other 364 days of the year. Only on opening morning, after he does that, he pulls over to the side and opens his door on the tractor cab. When the deer inevitably show up to join the cows, he takes one. He tags it, puts it in the bucket on the tractor and goes home. He has only ever taken one (at least during rifle season). When this happened, baiting game was illegal in Kansas and except for handicapped, hunting from a motor vehicle is illegal as well. I guess because of his age and the fact that he isn't driving around hunting them, I have no problem with that. The bait? Well, he feeds those deer more or less year around. That is why I kept saying I'd never seen him do anything I'd consider illegal or unethical.