stupid idea #4,039,527

buschmaster

hi-points are fugly. what makes them fugly? the slide, frame, weirdass trigger and that 1" of plastic hanging off the bottom of the mag.

somebody should make a kit that consists of a slide, frame and trigger for your hi-point that looks a whole lot better. straight 1911-style grip, takes 1911 mags, and a Glock-like slide. or at least something not so fugly.

you take the barrel and all the small parts, and apply them to the kit. walla. no longer fugly.

a brand new hi-point costs 150-170 dollars, so the kit might sell for 75-100 dollars since it has no barrel or small parts. just the basic big stuff.

who would pay that to do that? someone who already has a hi-point and is sick of looking at it. I think it would sell.

what do you think.

mark christian

I wouldn't take one as a gift, and I actually made an enemy in the forum for life by saying that. The single biggest improvement would be to simplify field stripping. You need a hammer and a punch, and considerable effort to drive the slide retaining pin out of the frame. I'm not an engineer or an industrial designer, but the Tokarev has a better system.

BobJudy

After you spend $100 on the kit and go through the background check for the frame you would have almost $300 invested, and it would still be a Hi Point. Why not spend another 100 and get a Ruger American or S&W M&P when they are on sale. That way you could save the aggravation and have a gun that holds its value and ain't as ugly. Life is to short for ugly guns and cheap whiskey. Bob

Henry0Reilly

If people would buy such a kit why wouldn't Hi-Point just change their product and charge more for it?

SCOUT5

For that kind of money I'd just buy a used Ruger.

Ricci Wright

My thoughts exactly. You can pick up a P series Ruger for a couple o hundred if you don't care about the looks. While I could defend myself with a Hi Point pistol and have never seen problems with the at least hundreds we had come in the range, I would prefer the Ruger.

buschmaster

right, that's what yall are saying, "why should I buy that when I could buy this" and it's true. but that's not what I was saying. if you already have a hi-point, you already spent the money on it years ago, it's been sitting in the drawer the whole time because it's so dang yoogly and you don't want to look at it or you would take it out and shoot it more often, are you going to spend another 100 to turn it into a different gun that looks acceptable? or even sort of good?

yes. probably.

buschmaster

Henry0Reilly wrote:

If people would buy such a kit why wouldn't Hi-Point just change their product and charge more for it?

they should! and it doesn't cost anything to make slides and frames a different shape.

Ricci Wright

I can only answer for me and with my experience with firearms, no there is nothing I can think of that would make me want to shoot a Hi Point pistol for fun. They are a total brick. They have to be non proportional due to the fact they are all blow back designs and must have a very heavy slide. The triggers and sights are hard to use, at least they are for me. Any money I would spend on improvements I would spend on a different gun.

Again, if I only had a Hi Point and could afford or find nothing else I would shoot it enough to become and remain proficient but no more. Just my opinion.

buschmaster

okay, they are a big heavy brick and you don't like them at all.

llama

Interesting idea, but I think it will fail for 2 reasons - physics and costs.

The reason for the massive slide is that I think the HPs are straight blowback - no delay to roller locks, locking lugs, etc. So the weight is needed.

Otherwise for $100 more than a HP you can get a SAR BP6 or similar model - basically a CZ75 clone with a plastic frame and steel slide. CDNN has them in my spam mail at least once a week for $240-260, sometimes as cheap as $199. Plenty of other inexpensive pistols in the $200-250 price range. The raison d' etre of the HP is the $150 price tag.

buschmaster

yes, they are blowback. must have a heavy slide, especially for more powerful cartridges like 9mm 40 and 45.

one reason the slide is so big is because it's made of Zamak-3 (pot metal) which is 96% zinc and 4% aluminum. it's lightweight.

make it out of steel and it will be smaller.

buschmaster

let's start with how ugly these things are.



looks like a cheap chinese pot-metal cordless drill with a bad trigger.

but wait. it turns out they did used to make them with a straight grip. and it took 1911 mags.







not so bad and I have not a clue why they made it UGLIER than it was.

there were customizations.





see, you can work with it.

now what can we do about the slide.



GAAH! that's ugly



it needs a heavy slide, yet it's made out of lightweight pot metal. so it's big and clunky.



anything. something. make it square like an HK. although bigger and clunkier.



or square like a Glock. or add the beveled muzzle.



it would be shaped more or less like this. but with a big fat slide.



that wouldn't be so bad.

llama

Or, as I said for about $100 more than a HP you can get this -

buschmaster

right, that's what yall are saying, "why should I buy that when I could buy this" and it's true. but that's not what I was saying. if you already have a hi-point, you already spent the money on it years ago, it's been sitting in the drawer the whole time because it's so dang yoogly and you don't want to look at it or you would take it out and shoot it more often, are you going to spend another 100 to turn it into a different gun that looks acceptable? or even sort of good?

yes. probably.

montanajoe

buschmaster wrote:

right, that's what yall are saying, "why should I buy that when I could buy this" and it's true. but that's not what I was saying. if you already have a hi-point, you already spent the money on it years ago, it's been sitting in the drawer the whole time because it's so dang yoogly and you don't want to look at it or you would take it out and shoot it more often, are you going to spend another 100 to turn it into a different gun that looks acceptable? or even sort of good?

yes. probably.

if its been sitting in the drawer the whole time,I'm not gonna spend more money on it to go back in the drawer. It's still what it is,only with perfume on it now,,,,

wiplash

buschmaster wrote:

right, that's what yall are saying, "why should I buy that when I could buy this" and it's true. but that's not what I was saying. if you already have a hi-point, you already spent the money on it years ago, it's been sitting in the drawer the whole time because it's so dang yoogly and you don't want to look at it or you would take it out and shoot it more often, are you going to spend another 100 to turn it into a different gun that looks acceptable? or even sort of good?

yes. probably.

Is this a mental experiment?

BobJudy

Can I change my vote. I forgot the old saying that "there is a sucker born every minute". So if someone has already bought a Hi-point then they may already be in this category. That would be your targeted demographic and there must be a bunch of them as the company just keeps rolling out guns. But the mods must be tacticool to really sell. Bob

buschmaster

they have a Hi-Point forum. people do buy these fugly things.

other website in a C9 Gen2 review said

The fact is, Hi Point sells over 200,000 firearms a year.

http://concealednation.org/2019/05/i-got-a-hold-of-the-new-hi-point-prototype-and-people-are-curious/

yoshmyster

Nothing a few sheets of 80 grit and a Dremel can't fix .