Beaver Report

Sam06

Took the Barn Gun down to the creek with the dogs to see if I could see the beaver.

Barn gun is a 12 ga Bolt action J C Higgins Model 10 (583.16) loaded with 35 year old hand loaded 12 AA Hulls with Alcan #5 a used wad and about 1 1/8th oz of Western Chilled #5 shot. Alcan stopped making powder in about 1980 or so but it was good powder and I have a bar for my MEC that drops a good load and about 2#'s left from an 8# Keg I got in the 70's. This was my goto Duck hunting load back in the day(Lead shot) now its my varmint, heavy squirrel or mistletoe knocking down load.

No joy

I didn't see him but I shot a few rounds into the creek to let him know I have been around

I let the dogs go swimming so Now I am going outside to give them a bath so they will dry off by dinner time.

Horse Plains Drifter

That ain't the recalled shotgun, is it?

Hows come you want to shoot the beaver?

BTW the title you chose could leave a lot to the imagination

Sam06

Horse Plains Drifter wrote:

That ain't the recalled shotgun, is it?

Hows come you want to shoot the beaver?

BTW the title you chose could leave a lot to the imagination

Yep they recalled them and if you turned in the bolt they gave you some money like 30 bucks. But they are perfectly safe and a good gun.

I hate beavers they dam up my creek and then it becomes a "wetland" and you need a presidential pardon to destroy one. My land backs up to state land so I have to get them before they can build a dam. Once I see sign of them I just lay up in an ambush and pick them off easy as pie with my 17 Rem. I took the shotgun because it needed to get shot and cleaned.

NeoBlackdog

Some of the best trout fishing I've ever done has been in beaver ponds.
They're actually really good for the stream and surrounding areas' ecosystem.

buschmaster

JimmyJack

In my area the beaver ruin the trout streams. Warm the water and stop migration.

asop

The area I used to duck hunt "diked" areas to allow water control for corn planting and then flood just before the season. Beavers were a real problem in the dikes and were shot on a regular basis. Never seemed to diminish the population.

asop

I just love a dry sense on humor

John Stimson

This is a photo from a suit against Sears after the receiver failed. They are actually not safe.
Originally the payment for the return of the bolt was $160. Later that dropped to a gift card for $50. I doubt there is any interest on Sears part now that they have gone through bankruptcy.
In the hey day Sears was selling about 35,000 Model 10 bolt action shotguns per year. The 12 gauge represented the majority of these. Why do you suppose Sears would voluntarily submit themselves to the huge potential liability of a recall like this if indeed the guns were safe?



I have data on another model 10 12 gauge failure die to the failed receiver.

TRAP55

We had beavers dam up the creek bottom on the ranch, cut down all the trees and flooded the pasture. Idaho F&G wouldn't let us shoot them, and they wouldn't come and trap them. There wasn't any law stopping us from blowing the dam though. Cousin chopped a hole to make a leak, and packed in a few sticks of dynamite. Beavers all started to repair the leak, kaboom! No more dam, and no more beavers.

Maalox

We live on a lake and there are beavers back in the end of the cove we live on. One comes by our dock every morning morning and again in the evening. The buggers have stopped and snacked on the air lines going to our boat lift. About once a year the boat lift stops working and with a little looking you can see the teeth marks where they chewed a hole in the plastic lines. Thought about shooting them but then I would have to drag off a 50 pound beaver carcass and another would just fit in for the one I took out.

Merlinnv12

mark christian

TRAP55 wrote:

We had beavers dam up the creek bottom on the ranch, cut down all the trees and flooded the pasture. Idaho F&G wouldn't let us shoot them, and they wouldn't come and trap them. There wasn't any law stopping us from blowing the dam though. Cousin chopped a hole to make a leak, and packed in a few sticks of dynamite. Beavers all started to repair the leak, kaboom! No more dam, and no more beavers.

Was it crittergetter who was overrun with beavers? For some reason I'm thinking it was him. If you talk to crit, tell him I said hello.

TRAP55

mark christian wrote:

TRAP55 wrote:

We had beavers dam up the creek bottom on the ranch, cut down all the trees and flooded the pasture. Idaho F&G wouldn't let us shoot them, and they wouldn't come and trap them. There wasn't any law stopping us from blowing the dam though. Cousin chopped a hole to make a leak, and packed in a few sticks of dynamite. Beavers all started to repair the leak, kaboom! No more dam, and no more beavers.

Was it crittergetter who was overrun with beavers? For some reason I'm thinking it was him. If you talk to crit, tell him I said hello.

Mark, yes, and they were Mutant Beavers! Biggest one I've seen in Calif might go 35lbs with a full meal in him. You know he's one for pulling pranks, and doing it with a straight face. I come up for a visit, and he's on a rant about the beavers dropping all his trees. Takes me down to the river to show me, and in the middle of a bunch of dropped trees, I see one he's pointing to, that is about ready to drop. The first thing I notice is the cut is 4ft + off the ground. I start laughing, telling him he almost had me, and that was a lot of ax work just for a prank.
He points behind me out in the Boise River, and it looks like a swimming yearling bear cub, until it does the tail slap, and dives. Still in disbelief, we get back up to the house, and he shows me the skull from a "smaller" one that was still way bigger than any I've seen. I'll see if I can get him to send me a pic of it, and I'll post it here.
After I saw the 2-3lb gophers he was trapping, I think there might be something in the water there. Then again, thinking about Crit, I'm sure there is.

Mobuck

I've seen some big beavers over the years. The current MO state record was caught about a mile from my house and the trapper called me to help him load it. He'd hurt his back dragging it up the creek bank.

Sam06

John Stimson wrote:

This is a photo from a suit against Sears after the receiver failed. They are actually not safe.
Originally the payment for the return of the bolt was $160. Later that dropped to a gift card for $50. I doubt there is any interest on Sears part now that they have gone through bankruptcy.
In the hey day Sears was selling about 35,000 Model 10 bolt action shotguns per year. The 12 gauge represented the majority of these. Why do you suppose Sears would voluntarily submit themselves to the huge potential liability of a recall like this if indeed the guns were safe?



I have data on another model 10 12 gauge failure die to the failed receiver.

I have seen that for years and it was bogus IMO

The Sears recall of the 12 gauge bolt was pretty much bogus (BS) The claim that the bolt hit the person in question was due to his own misconduct for not making sure the bolt stop screw was in place. Check your bolt stop screw whether you have a 12, 16 or 20. If it is in and tight you do not have to fear the bolt coming out. Many a good gun were ruined by this recall by the new anti gun run Sears.

The bolt stop screw is at the top left rear of the receiver where the bolt slides back and forth. Go to http://www.histandard.info/manuals/sear ... index.html and click on the number for your model (the 583.xx number) under Sears Factory Reference. You will then get a PDF of the original parts manual that shows the bolt stop screw's location better than I can explain it. You can also download a PDF of the owner's manual as well. I found this to be great reference material since I did not have them originally.

My 583.16 12ga gauge works perfectly (was listed in the recall). These are excellent firearms made by Hi-Standard and they did not participate in the recall.


But thank you for your concern.

SCOUT5

Beaver busting, best done at night.

Mercury

This is the most disappointing post EVER!


Merc

Sam06

Just got in from checking the area. Rained all night and it started raining again while I was out. I didn't see him or any new activity.

I took the barn gun and I had my 32 in my pocket just in case

Its about 75-80 and humid as all get out with the rain. Just a crappy day to be outside. I hope it cools off this week.

Horse Plains Drifter

SCOUT5 wrote:

Beaver busting, best done at night.

That's when some of the best beaver hunting is done, cougars too.....

John Stimson

Sam06 wrote:

John Stimson wrote:

This is a photo from a suit against Sears after the receiver failed. They are actually not safe.
Originally the payment for the return of the bolt was $160. Later that dropped to a gift card for $50. I doubt there is any interest on Sears part now that they have gone through bankruptcy.
In the hey day Sears was selling about 35,000 Model 10 bolt action shotguns per year. The 12 gauge represented the majority of these. Why do you suppose Sears would voluntarily submit themselves to the huge potential liability of a recall like this if indeed the guns were safe?



I have data on another model 10 12 gauge failure die to the failed receiver.

I have seen that for years and it was bogus IMO

The Sears recall of the 12 gauge bolt was pretty much bogus (BS) The claim that the bolt hit the person in question was due to his own misconduct for not making sure the bolt stop screw was in place. Check your bolt stop screw whether you have a 12, 16 or 20. If it is in and tight you do not have to fear the bolt coming out. Many a good gun were ruined by this recall by the new anti gun run Sears.

The bolt stop screw is at the top left rear of the receiver where the bolt slides back and forth. Go to http://www.histandard.info/manuals/sear ... index.html and click on the number for your model (the 583.xx number) under Sears Factory Reference. You will then get a PDF of the original parts manual that shows the bolt stop screw's location better than I can explain it. You can also download a PDF of the owner's manual as well. I found this to be great reference material since I did not have them originally.

My 583.16 12ga gauge works perfectly (was listed in the recall). These are excellent firearms made by Hi-Standard and they did not participate in the recall.

But thank you for your concern.

The photo is from my collection of High Standard materials and is one of the exhibits in a suit filed against Sears and their supplier of the gun, High Standard. I have additional documentation. The case was from before 1968 when the Leisure group bought High Standard and Sears did not announce the recall until several years after High Standard went out of business.

The website you reference for manuals is my website. I have and have shared a huge collection of High Standard data Yes they all had the bolt retention screw but notice that none of early numbers were recalled. The first 12 numbers were a part of the High Standard BA1 design series and the ones recalled were the early versions of the BA2 design series. High Standard moved on from the tubular steel receiver to a forged receiver in the Model 11 and later the model 14. These later designs continued to use the bolt retention screw. All of these bolt action shotguns had the bolt retention screw but only the early versions of the BA2 were recalled.

The bolt retention screw is a story that has been widely circulated on the internet. Probably one or more fools were victim of that stupidity. A fractured receiver is not of the user's doing.

Sam06

Thanks for the info I will look into it more.


What do you think, are these shotguns dangerous?

Aztngundoc22

OK :

And some-how I was thinkin this post was going to about a female ????

Thanks !!!