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KenK/84BravoKenK/84Bravo Member Posts: 12,055 ✭✭✭✭

My experience has always been "Ash wet or dry, good to warm a Kings slippers by." (To reference an Old saying.)

I have now come to believe that Black Gum, fits in the same realm.

It burns very nice, somewhat uncured, unlike Oak, Beech, Birch, Poplar, etc. Have been spltting up some large Blackgums dropped off by my Cousin, it burns nice. 12-20" diameter cuts. Split.

I have previously come across this wood with a fair amount dropped on my back property. 1-2 years old, it burns very nice. Have a decent amount.


Thoughts?

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    KenK/84BravoKenK/84Bravo Member Posts: 12,055 ✭✭✭✭

    Before cutting it down, I thought it was Black Walnut. (Takes forever to dry before being able to burn.) The bark and the leaves, looked just like it. (Worked at a Sawmill, as a heavy equipment operator.) Very good at identifying species. This one surprised me. Knew as soon as I cut it down, looking at the wood, it was not Black Walnut.

    It burns good. No hissing/excess moisture. Give it a year to dry - excuisite.

    Doubt it is out West, Jim.

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    KenK/84BravoKenK/84Bravo Member Posts: 12,055 ✭✭✭✭

    Unfamiliar with "Larch," as you are unfamiliar with Blackgum. A regional thing, I would imagine.

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    chmechme Member Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭✭
    Black gum may be better known as Tupelo in the deep south.  Decent wood, can be hard to split.  Hickory, Ash and Oak are very high on my firewood list, along with apple (pruning my small orchard)  IMHO, the 3 best firewoods are Osage Orange, Live Oak and Black Locust.  They are about 1 notch off the heat value of coal.   
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    KenK/84BravoKenK/84Bravo Member Posts: 12,055 ✭✭✭✭

    Yes the Black gum seems to be hard to split. If a decent grain structure presents itself, not too bad.

    I have a decent amount of Red Oak, White Oak, Birch, Beech, Black Gum, etc. To split.


    If cured/dried, obviously the White/Red Oak is superior. If somewhat uncured, the Ash/Blackgum seems to shine.

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    4205raymond4205raymond Member Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭✭
    Ken, Is Black Gum and Sweet Gum the same? Sweet gum leaves look similar to maple and have prickly balls about 1.5" in diameter. Some say Winchester used Sweet Gum for late model '37 Win. stocks when they ran out of nice walnut. Neighbor next to my Va. property is huge wood burner(2) swears by locust.
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    KenK/84BravoKenK/84Bravo Member Posts: 12,055 ✭✭✭✭

    Lucust is by far #1. Red/White Oak, #2. Ash/Blackgum #3.


    Blackgum leaves look identical to Black Walnut, as does the bark. Nothing resembling maple.


    I have a few Locusts to drop, but they are hell on your chain. Still need to drop them. Best wood going, to burn.

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    jimdeerejimdeere Member, Moderator Posts: 25,714 ******
    I had to cut down a gum tree in a fence row. I blocked it out and tried to split it. That stuff was so stringy, I gave up.
    I let it season for about a year and it split very easily. Good wood, though.
    I am fortune to have a lot of dead locust to cut and burn. Lots of wild cherry trees, too.

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    jimdeerejimdeere Member, Moderator Posts: 25,714 ******
     (Worked at a Sawmill, as a heavy equipment operator.) Very good at identifying species.”
    Were you a pilot? 
    You know, they saw it and you pile it?
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    4205raymond4205raymond Member Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2020
    Speaking of Wild Cherry. Retired General I use to work with at West Point, a former professor in EE, came to me one day to ask what I knew about Wild Cherry since I was a country boy from Va. I admitted I knew very little about Wild Cherry. Then the story came out. He cut some Wild Cherry and his neighbors Champion Black Angus bull ate it and killed him dead as a door nail. Well, he came to me about a month later and said that bull cost him way over $5,000. 

    Fast forward about a year and I am at my 2nd home in Va. cutting a Wild Cherry out of my neighbors fence row and a lot of it landed on other side. This huge Black Angus bull on my neighbors side got curious and headed my way looking for a quick meal, I guess.  You never seen anyone clean up Wild Cherry branches and throw them on my side so quick.
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    Smitty500magSmitty500mag Member Posts: 13,603 ✭✭✭✭
    I would just use a hair dryer to warm the king's slippers. 
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    OkieOkie Member Posts: 991 ✭✭✭

    Ran out of firewood.

    Good news is I've found lots of cow chips for the fireplace.

    Bad news. wife don't like to use the cow chips in the wood cook stove.

    More bad news. Cannot find any Buffalo chips.

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    NeoBlackdogNeoBlackdog Member Posts: 16,709 ✭✭✭✭

    Unfamiliar with "Larch," as you are unfamiliar with Blackgum. A regional thing, I would imagine.

    Western Larch (Larix occidentalis) is more commonly referred to as tamarack.  Makes a real nice crackly fire and puts off good heat.  It has needles like an evergreen but looses them in the fall.  Not many things prettier than a stand of Western Larch with their fall colors on!  

    There's also an Eastern Larch that's found in the NE U.S. and down into West Virginia.  
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    pulsarncpulsarnc Member Posts: 6,277 ✭✭✭✭

    Wild cherry , among others , has leaves that produce hydrogen cyanide when they wilt .

    cry Havoc and let slip  the dogs of war..... 
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    kannoneerkannoneer Member Posts: 3,366 ✭✭✭✭
    We have a lot of black and honey locust. Just have to be sure it is dry or you WILL have a chimney fire. If you have one of those outside furnaces this probably doesn't matter, but it does when your furnace is in the basement.
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    select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,453 ✭✭✭✭
    Have 1 sweet gum and 1 beech tree to remove off a property soon.  Wood will be stacked just off easement of road with a Free sign on it, cut in 3' lengths.
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    Toolman286Toolman286 Member Posts: 2,999 ✭✭✭✭
    I burn mostly red or white oak. I tried some poplar (tulip) & it was surprisingly good.
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    KenK/84BravoKenK/84Bravo Member Posts: 12,055 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2020

    Just out of curiosity, why would burning Locust before it is fully dry, cause a chimney fire? Excessive Creosote build up?

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    SW0320SW0320 Member Posts: 2,405 ✭✭✭✭
    Do not have gum or locust just oak so that is all that I burn.  I own a tree farm that is mostly red and white oak that I thin annually.  I have a logging winch for my tractor that I use to get trees to my landing.  Then I cut and split and put the wood into my trailer to haul back to house for stacking.  I try to let wood dry for at least 1 1/2 to 2 years before burning,

    i have two two wood stoves.  One is a Pacific Energy insert in living room.l I burn that when temp is around freezing, it keeps the house warm.  When it gets really cold for an extended period I have a Harmon wood furnace hooked into to hot air system, it will heat the whole house and only needs to be tended every 8 hours.
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    DONDALINGERDONDALINGER Member Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2020
    Burning locust before its fully seasoned causes excess creosote in the chimney. I have burned sweet gum, but find that it dries out very light and burn time is not real long. If I pack my stove at night with sweet gum, I wake up cold with the wood having burned up in the night. Pack it with oak or hickory and wake up with a good bed of coals and a warm house. The sweet gum when dry does light very easily and has something in it that sparks, pops and crackles quite a bit. My favorites are white oak, hickory, red oak and apple. I own some land in the mountains of Virginia and its covered with locust, but its very rare here in Eastern Virginia. My Dad burns a lot of ash. Some kind of disease is killing a bunch of ash trees in southwest Virginia, so Dad is utilizing it.
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    KenK/84BravoKenK/84Bravo Member Posts: 12,055 ✭✭✭✭

    Do you think dead standing Locust would be good then?

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    DONDALINGERDONDALINGER Member Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭
    Dad cuts dead standing locust all the time. Very hard on the chain as the dead wood has cured and hardened. It could still have some moisture content, so you may want to season it some before burning it. It is the #1 choice of firewood for most people in Southwest Virginia. Dad sells firewood for extra cash, but he keeps all the locust for himself. His second favorite is wild cherry. Plentiful there, but not much of it here. Excellent firewood though.
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    SCOUT5SCOUT5 Member Posts: 16,182 ✭✭✭✭
    The emerald ash borer is what is killing the ash trees.  It is happening all over the country.
    Absolutely wilting cheery leaves will kill stock.  You have to be on the lookout for falling limbs or trees when cherry trees are close to your pasture.
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    Sam06Sam06 Member Posts: 21,254 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2020
    You may be interested in this from the Farmers Almanac:

    C&P

    Do you use firewood to heat your home? Here is a list of the best types of firewood to burn—sorted by high, medium, and low heat value—as well as a few important wood-burning tips.

    What makes some types of firewood better for burning than others? It comes down to two factors: density and water content. The denser and drier the firewood, the better it will burn and the more heat it can produce. 

    Because of this, hardwoods, which tend to be denser, generally make for better firewood than softwoods.

    Best Firewood: High Heat Value

    1 cord = 200 to 250 gallons of fuel oil

    • American beech
    • Apple
    • Ironwood
    • Mesquite
    • Red oak
    • Shagbark hickory
    • Sugar maple
    • White ash
    • White oak
    • Yellow birch

    Medium Heat Value

    1 cord = 150 to 200 gallons of fuel oil

    • American elm
    • Black cherry
    • Douglas fir
    • Red maple
    • Silver maple
    • Tamarack
    • White birch

    Low Heat Value

    1 cord = 100 to 150 gallons of fuel oil

    • Aspen
    • Cottonwood
    • Hemlock
    • Lodgepole pine
    • Red alder
    • Redwood
    • Sitka spruce
    • Western red cedar
    • White pine



    RLTW

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    allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,264 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2020
    I got a truck load of locust from the yard of my brother's girlfriend last summer.
    This was dead standing locust and, the biggest locust tree I have ever cut, and I cut a lot of locust.  About 22 inch diameter.
    It was rough on the saw.  Green wood cuts better than dry wood, and crummy firewood, such as pine, cuts easier than good firewood like  locust.  However this stuff is worth the trouble this is the best load of firewood I ever have gotten.  I use an electric moisture meter, available from Lowes for 30 bucks.  You need to split a stick that is at room temp.  You want 17 percent or less.
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    KenK/84BravoKenK/84Bravo Member Posts: 12,055 ✭✭✭✭

    Alphebetic listing. How about the real deal?


    I pretty much know what wood, burns at the highest BTU'S.


    Bottom line, how much does the wood weigh = BTU's. The more dried wood weighs, the more the BTU's.

    The heavier/denser it is, the better it is.

    IMHO.

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    KenK/84BravoKenK/84Bravo Member Posts: 12,055 ✭✭✭✭

    Was just out enjoying the nice weather, (40° out, not spitting rain/snow.) splitting up some Red Oak, and Blackgum. Getting some inside for when it is not so nice out.

    Do any of you all stack it around your Woodstove to facilitate drying/burning?

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    allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,264 ✭✭✭✭
    Here is an easier to understand firewood chart.

    FIREWOOD BTU OF WESTERN HARDWOOD SPECIES

    SpeciesMillion BTU's per CordPounds Per Cord
    Green
    Pounds Per Cord
    Dry
    Live Oak36.678704840
    Eucalyptus34.573204560
    Manzanita32.0
    Pacific Madrone30.965204086
    Dogwood30.465204025
    Oregon White Oak28.062903710
    Tanoak27.560703650
    California Black Oak27.457253625
    Pepperwood (Myrtle)26.157303450
    Chinquapin24.747203450
    Bigleaf Maple22.749403000
    Red Alder19.541002600
    Quaking Aspen18.038802400
    Cottonwood16.834752225

    FIREWOOD BTU OF WESTERN SOFTWOOD SPECIES

    SpeciesMillion BTU’s per CordPounds Per Cord
    Green
    Pounds Per Cord
    Dry
    Douglas Fir26.550503075
    Western Juniper26.454103050
    Western Hemlock24.457302830
    Port Orford Cedar23.443702700
    Lodgepole Pine22.342702580
    Ponderosa Pine21.742702520
    Jeffery Pine21.742702520
    Sitka Spruce21.741002520
    White Fir21.131902400
    Red Fir20.640402400
    Incense Cedar20.138802350
    Coast Redwood20.140402330
    Grand Fir20.138802330
    Sugar Pine19.638202270
    Western White Pine
    Sequoia Redwood

    FIREWOOD BTU OF EASTERN HARDWOOD SPECIES

    Inconsistency between charts may exist due to different laboratory variables

    SpeciesMillion BTU’s per CordPounds Per Cord Dry
    Osage Orange32.94728
    Shagbark Hickory27.74327
    Eastern Hornbeam27.14016
    Black Birch26.83890
    Black Locust26.83890
    Blue Beech26.83890
    Ironwood26.83890
    Bitternut Hickory26.53832
    Honey Locust26.54100
    Apple25.83712
    Mulberry25.74012
    Beech24.03757
    Northern Red Oak24.03757
    Sugar Maple24.03757
    White Oak24.03757
    White Ash23.63689
    Yellow Birch21.83150
    Red Elm21.63112
    Hackberry20.83247
    Kentucky Coffeetree20.83247
    Gray Birch20.33179
    Paper Birch20.33179
    White Birch20.23192
    Black Walnut20.03120
    Cherry20.03120
    Green Ash19.92880
    Black Cherry19.52880
    American Elm19.53052
    White Elm19.53052
    Sycamore19.12992
    Black Ash18.72924
    Red Maple (Soft Maple)18.12900
    Boxelder17.92797
    Catalpa15.92482
    Aspen14.72295
    Butternut14.52100
    Willow14.32236
    Cottonwood13.52108
    American Basswood13.52108


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    Wild TurkeyWild Turkey Member Posts: 2,427 ✭✭✭✭
    When I was studying at Speed Engineering at University of Louisville a few (more than I want to think about  ;)  years ago) I met some guys that had done a study of woodburning and creosote production.
    Their final finding after burning cords of wood and weighing the creosote produced was simple:  Creosote production is directly related to the amount of wood burned, not the type of wood burned.

    When you think about it it makes sense:  You have to burn more green wood to get the same amount of heat as burning dry wood.

    They did say some types of wood produce more than others, but the amount of wood burned is the major factor in creosote production.

    I'm currently burning whatever species the discarded pallets contain so I'm not worried.

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    4205raymond4205raymond Member Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭✭
    Makes no sense to me that Creosote production based on amount burned is major factor. Well maybe not in all cases. I use to help Grandpa haul pine slabs from sawmill and we cut up and feed to fire in fireplace. Real fast and heavy Creosote build up resulted in huge Chimney fire that neighbors could see for miles in night sky. Bellowed like a freight train and we all got out of house. It finally burned it self out. Scared the hell out of me as a ten year old.
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    Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,372 ******
    Larch is the bees knees.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
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    Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,372 ******
    Here is an easier to understand firewood chart.

    FIREWOOD BTU OF WESTERN HARDWOOD SPECIES

    SpeciesMillion BTU's per CordPounds Per Cord
    Green
    Pounds Per Cord
    Dry
    Live Oak36.678704840
    Eucalyptus34.573204560
    Manzanita32.0

    Pacific Madrone30.965204086
    Dogwood30.465204025
    Oregon White Oak28.062903710
    Tanoak27.560703650
    California Black Oak27.457253625
    Pepperwood (Myrtle)26.157303450
    Chinquapin24.747203450
    Bigleaf Maple22.749403000
    Red Alder19.541002600
    Quaking Aspen18.038802400
    Cottonwood16.834752225

    FIREWOOD BTU OF WESTERN SOFTWOOD SPECIES

    SpeciesMillion BTU’s per CordPounds Per Cord
    Green
    Pounds Per Cord
    Dry
    Douglas Fir26.550503075
    Western Juniper26.454103050
    Western Hemlock24.457302830
    Port Orford Cedar23.443702700
    Lodgepole Pine22.342702580
    Ponderosa Pine21.742702520
    Jeffery Pine21.742702520
    Sitka Spruce21.741002520
    White Fir21.131902400
    Red Fir20.640402400
    Incense Cedar20.138802350
    Coast Redwood20.140402330
    Grand Fir20.138802330
    Sugar Pine19.638202270
    Western White Pine


    Sequoia Redwood


    FIREWOOD BTU OF EASTERN HARDWOOD SPECIES

    Inconsistency between charts may exist due to different laboratory variables

    SpeciesMillion BTU’s per CordPounds Per Cord Dry
    Osage Orange32.94728
    Shagbark Hickory27.74327
    Eastern Hornbeam27.14016
    Black Birch26.83890
    Black Locust26.83890
    Blue Beech26.83890
    Ironwood26.83890
    Bitternut Hickory26.53832
    Honey Locust26.54100
    Apple25.83712
    Mulberry25.74012
    Beech24.03757
    Northern Red Oak24.03757
    Sugar Maple24.03757
    White Oak24.03757
    White Ash23.63689
    Yellow Birch21.83150
    Red Elm21.63112
    Hackberry20.83247
    Kentucky Coffeetree20.83247
    Gray Birch20.33179
    Paper Birch20.33179
    White Birch20.23192
    Black Walnut20.03120
    Cherry20.03120
    Green Ash19.92880
    Black Cherry19.52880
    American Elm19.53052
    White Elm19.53052
    Sycamore19.12992
    Black Ash18.72924
    Red Maple (Soft Maple)18.12900
    Boxelder17.92797
    Catalpa15.92482
    Aspen14.72295
    Butternut14.52100
    Willow14.32236
    Cottonwood13.52108
    American Basswood13.52108



    A lot of those numbers are misleading. For example, Big Leaf Maple burns a hell of a lot hotter than douglas fir. It just burns a bit faster too, so you get fewer total BTUs (I guess).  It also leaves a helluvan ash mess.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
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    select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,453 ✭✭✭✭
    All of it will burn just keeping some burning is the problem . I always split bad stuff small so it would be gone quicker. And mixed it with good stuff just to get rid of it. Too many conditions to establish how long it lasts.
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    Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 39,422 ***** Forums Admin
    Larch is the bees knees.
    Sho nuff it is! The old timers made shakes from larch too.
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    Wild TurkeyWild Turkey Member Posts: 2,427 ✭✭✭✭
    Makes no sense to me that Creosote production based on amount burned is major factor. Well maybe not in all cases. I use to help Grandpa haul pine slabs from sawmill and we cut up and feed to fire in fireplace. Real fast and heavy Creosote build up resulted in huge Chimney fire that neighbors could see for miles in night sky. Bellowed like a freight train and we all got out of house. It finally burned it self out. Scared the hell out of me as a ten year old.
    Think about it -- pine slabs are very wet so you had to burn a lot, leading to lots of creosote that led to fire.  They would burn well because they were pine but not as well as if they were dry. 

    Had a friend who lived in an old log cabin and he had a chimney fire -- roar and sparks were like you described.  Fire dept got there in time. 
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    jimdeerejimdeere Member, Moderator Posts: 25,714 ******
    Moisture in wood must be converted to steam . That takes energy, BTUs. Steam goes up the chimney and is wasted. Seasoned wood is always better.
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    JimmyJackJimmyJack Member Posts: 5,401 ✭✭✭✭
    I agree,  I heat my home with wood from an inside boiler,  and all my wood is seasoned 2 to 3 years.
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    kannoneerkannoneer Member Posts: 3,366 ✭✭✭✭
    One time we had a chimney fire about 2 in the morning. The roof was so hot I had to put shoes on.  We had been burning green Locust. The creosote had built up and collapsed inward, plugging the chimney and filling the house with smoke. The furnace was shut down tight but it was drawing air from somewhere. Flames were about 2-3 foot out the top of the chimney. Poured a 3 gallon water jug on it and it died down and then soon came roaring back to life. Poured another jug in then stuck a 12 ga. shotgun with a field load down the chimney and touched her off. It literally blew the fire out for good. Thought for sure the house was going to go. Yes, I know about chimney fires. That gun saved our house.
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    4205raymond4205raymond Member Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2020
    Grandpa and I never used green pine slabs but they laid at used up sawmill for I think at least a year and were well seasoned. I think they use pine for mineral spirits/turpentine. Would that not cause a heavy buildup of Creosote in chimney especially coming from knots in slabs. We use to pick up knots in woods with heavy concentrations turpentine in them which were great for starting fire. 

    I knew of many chimneys in Central Va. that had their clay flue pipes shattered from pouring cold water down chimney to put out a chimney fire.
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