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Can any pro-2A politician ever go too far? "they don't have anything" shouldn't be said before

SoreShoulderSoreShoulder Member Posts: 3,132 ✭✭✭
edited January 2020 in Politics
trial, when potential witnesses are being pressured not to cooperate.   That's what you say after you've seen the evidence.


What if Republican congressmen had found a way to withold Lend-Lease aid to the Soviets so they'd help provide dirt on Roosevelt  so he would lose the 1944 election, and then we'd had more Germans to fight, and the Germans would then be bolstered with Soviet factories and conscripts?

And, take a look at this:
https://www.politicususa.com/2020/01/26/trump-threaten-schiff.html
Is Trump putting himself above the law?
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    shooter45_usshooter45_us Member Posts: 8 ✭✭
    Perhaps slanted ?

    PoliticusUSA offers news, commentary, and opinion from a liberal point of view. PoliticusUSA is independent and is not affiliated with any political party or organization.

    We explain and analyze the news that matters. PoliticusUSA was founded in February of 2008 by Jason Easley.

    PoliticusUSA is fiercely corporate-free political news and analysis. We have grown into being White House and Congressional credentialed journalists and are proud to have become a Reuters publishing partner.


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    NeoBlackdogNeoBlackdog Member Posts: 16,661 ✭✭✭✭
    shooter45_us said:
    Perhaps slanted ?



    Ya think?
    They're leanin' so far left if they lean any more they'll have their left ear on the ground. 
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    NeoBlackdogNeoBlackdog Member Posts: 16,661 ✭✭✭✭
    SS, should we allow free flow of aid even when our 'allies' are not holding up their end of any aid agreements?  What Trump is doing is just good business, not much political about it.  It's a crappy world to live in if you have to buy you friends.  
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    shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,815 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2020
    SoreShoulder said:
    I wasn't able to find any comment from Fox news with a few searches but Washington Post, New York Times, and Reuters reported the story, so it's not made up.  

    Besides, what about withholding aid from our allies to give himself a political advantage?

    We need cred with our allies.  If they're afraid our support is only good until someone needs to win an election, we will lose allies. 
    This strikes me as a really naive comment. You don't think every administration hasn't used aid, or the suspension of aid to exert "our" will on their behavior?  You don't think that pressure previously exerted wasn't to place those administrations in an advantageous position in all facets, to include getting re-elected?    Joe Biden is likely one of the most corrupt politicians in modern history, check out the book Profiles in Corruption.  His entire family has benefited from the power and prestige of their VP relative.  There is a huge money laundering scheme involving US tax dollars and Ukraine, involving family members of both political parties.  The "swamp" is being exposed, and if exposing Biden's corruption benefits Trump in his re-election as aside benefit, I am fine with that.   This entire effort to remove Trump, IMO has been orchestrated to cover up the massive fraud that is Ukraine.    
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    dcon12dcon12 Member Posts: 31,950 ✭✭✭✭
    SoreShoulder said:
    Besides, what about withholding aid from our allies to give himself a political advantage?
    Who besides the Dems have said this? Don
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    spasmcreeksrunspasmcreeksrun Member Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭
    better to keep russia and china  from teaming up.....
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    NeoBlackdogNeoBlackdog Member Posts: 16,661 ✭✭✭✭
    SoreShoulder said:
    shilowar said:
    SoreShoulder said:
    I wasn't able to find any comment from Fox news with a few searches but Washington Post, New York Times, and Reuters reported the story, so it's not made up.  

    Besides, what about withholding aid from our allies to give himself a political advantage?

    We need cred with our allies.  If they're afraid our support is only good until someone needs to win an election, we will lose allies. 
    This strikes me as a really naive comment. You don't think every administration hasn't used aid, or the suspension of aid to exert "our" will on their behavior?  You don't think that pressure previously exerted wasn't to place those administrations in an advantageous position in all facets, to include getting re-elected? 
    No, it's different now. 

    If you try to win some geopolitical coup to put your party ahead by promoting this nation's interests, that is a lot different than if you blackmail a country to get dirt on  your enemies.  That's just electioneering.

    Since our media is largely run by the left, it's plenty possible they missed a trick reporting when Democrats did what Trump may have done, though.
    Here's the thing...  Trump DIDN'T DO ANYTHING!  There was no quid pro quo, no bribery, no blackmail, no nothin'!  If you happen to score political points when a political rival gets the comeuppance he so richly deserves, so what?   Dude, turn off MSNBC and CNN.  They're gonna make ya crazy. 
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    BobJudyBobJudy Member Posts: 6,485 ✭✭✭✭
    Perhaps the presidents tweet about Schiff paying for what he has done refers to the dems realizing he is demented buffoon. Perhaps his constituents will vote their buffoon out. Physical threat no, political payback perhaps. Bob
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    spasmcreeksrunspasmcreeksrun Member Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭
    if a repub prez cannot root out nefarious activity by a democrap candidate and crew...who the hell do you think will ????
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    spasmcreeksrunspasmcreeksrun Member Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭
    the degree of "faith" our allies have  is directly related to the amount of FREE money the are getting.........
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    SCOUT5SCOUT5 Member Posts: 16,182 ✭✭✭✭
    SS, I'm no longer a Trump fan but you are not paying attention and you are ignoring the beginning of the events you seem bothered with.   These events started with Biden manipulating Ukraine, with threats, for his and his family's benefit.  President Trump requested what Biden stopped be continued.  Biden running for office should not give him or his family a pass from being investigated should an investigation be warranted.    Biden even bragged about doing what he did.
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