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lori vallow in court
spasmcreeksrun
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and laughing and smiling and all made up like she was on candid camera ....... and the judge reduced her bail from $5M down to $1M and ordered an ankle monitor.....ohh the horror ??????...she disappears kids, flees off to hawaii, and they finally bring back to court where she says NOTHING and the "judge" cuts her a ton of slack.....for NOTHING...from the supreme court down to the local level our "justice" system is a disarrayed failure........
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Is there a crime that has been committed?
Brad Steele
I’ve looked, but do not see where she has said her daughter died. A link would be worth reading. A relative says the kids are safe, and if tru, abandonment is a false charge. After having observed what was done at Ruby Ridge and then at Waco, I am very hesitant to jump on board when people are railroaded for what is perceived as unseemly beliefs. As of now, there is zero evidence that she has done anything. That may change, and if it does, my opinion will change with the facts.
Brad Steele
I guarantee to anyone that if the children are dead, they will not become any deader in the next month, year or decade. Likewise, if they are safe, they are very likely to remain so. The case started when estranged family members demanded a wellness check on the children, prompted in large degree because they believed Wallow's faith choices constituted a danger to the child. We have seen where government intrudes upon faith based decisions made by parents regarding medical care and gender orientation. Some are justified, I believe. Those that are justified are when there is a demonstrable danger to the health of the children.
This condition does not exist in this case. While there is some justification to be concerned, there is not, IMO, a Constitutionally based and demonstrable probable cause for her being charged. $ 1,000,000.00 bond because you refuse to produce your children so that a group of angry people who disagree with your religious beliefs can take them from you.
As noted, if actual evidence comes to light, I am open to the evolution of what I believe. I will not jump on the bandwagon of religious bigotry just because I think someone is a bit off-kilter.
Brad Steele
"Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee
They certainly don’t share Vallow’s.
I am uncertain how the grandparents beliefs matter from a legal standpoint, however.
Brad Steele
Yup, and under our system, as flawed as it is she/they do not have to answer. Right, wrong or indifferent that is our system. In this particular case it STINKS but any deviation from it hurts all of us.
So Madison county and Rexburg proper is just up the road from us by 15 miles.
We know people who work at the jail and who are Deputies, word on the street according to My Bride, is that the women inmates currently incarcerated had made comments to the effect of “ when she gets in here, we will find out where those kids are”.
So this kind of talk may have swayed the new to his post judge to decide to lower the bail to a somewhat affordable level and require ankle jewelry to prevent anticipated harm to her in general population?
Everyone locally feels if the judge was that worried about her, he should have put her in solitary.
Who says a million dollar bond and ankle jewelry will keep her from running again.
The entire surrounding communities only can pray the the kids are stashed somewhere and at least alive.
This is one strange event.
Have any of you followed the disappearance of DeOrr Kunz, the two year old local boy who disappeared on 10-July-2015?
This case smells similarly.
Mule
This is obviously bizarre, but at this point, there is no evidence of the crime for which she is being charged.
Brad Steele
There is no evidence that the children have been harmed, abandoned or in danger. She is obviously a bit different, and may be simply hiding them from an estranged family who may try to take them from her were she to present them.
Or they may be dead.
From every report I have read, she is not being charged with violating a custody order, denying visitation or anything of the kind. She is being charged with child abandonment without any evidence what-so-ever that she abandoned her children.
They may simply be in a safe house maintained by her church.
Or they may be dead.
We don't know, but we don't understand or agree with her belief system, so we throw her in jail.
Brad Steele
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/03/lori-daybell-remains-in-jail-and-may-have-problems-posting-1-million-bail/
Mule
i find that amusing. They must either figure she's a flight risk or more likely they are doing it on principle.
I vote the latter.
Mule
We do not know where the children are yet we jump to the conclusion that she abandoned them because it is possible.
We do not know where the children are yet we jump to the conclusion that she is not seeing to their support because it is possible.
It is possible she ate them. Why not charge her with cannibalism?
Brad Steele
Good to see the presumption of innocence is alive and well.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
The man that wrote ‘Common Sense’ would no doubt choose to error on the side of individual liberty over collectivist presumptive prosecution. So while you are correct, your meaning may be different than would be Mr. Paine’s.
Brad Steele
If it turns out her kids are alive and well, will the arrest and incarceration have been justified?
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
There is something amiss here, I agree. The problem I have is that even though it looks like something is wrong, I do not believe that government should charge someone for something without evidence that something has even occurred.
Brad Steele
$5M would be appropriate if they had any evidence of murder or manslaughter. However, they only have her on Child Abandonment and Contempt of Court Order (to the best of my knowledge). I think he most likely was bound to set bail to reflect those charges.
Do not get me wrong...I think this woman's cheese done slid of her cracker and those kids will never be seen alive.
All of your points are valid, and yes, the obvious and probably best thing for her children (if we assume they are still alive) would have been to not have them break contact with the grandparents and to provide proof of their well-being when asked.
You mention that I am ignoring State Law. I am unsure if that is correct. I confess to not having read the actual statutes in Idaho of Child Abandonment and Failure to support a child, but one would assume the language in the statute has something to do with abandoning or failing to provide support for the child. We have no evidence of either of these things. We can speculate as to her motivation for doing what she is doing (and I think we both share a suspicion that there is something very dark involved in that motivation) but should we prosecute for a crime absent evidence because of those suspicions.
Many on the far left believe that the desire to own a firearm is sufficient reason to prohibit ownership. A prejudgment based upon suspected motivation. I am struggling with finding where the line in this Vallow case should be, but my gut tells me that while I suspect something, the answer at this point is not incarceration for the reasons stated.
Brad Steele
And the rest is going to be public knowlege.
Margaret Thatcher
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Mark Twain