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I wonder if China caused this to make up for US Tariffs?

yoshmysteryoshmyster Member Posts: 22,059 ✭✭✭✭
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Global market's larger than the US, right?
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  • medic07medic07 Member Posts: 5,222 ✭✭✭
    I don't know if they created this (anything is possible), but I think they are going to be hammered when this is stabilized for not sounding the alarm early on and thinking they could contain it on their end.
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  • mogley98mogley98 Member Posts: 18,291 ✭✭✭✭
    China has 1.3 Billion people living in close proximity for the most part, of course they would be a location for a virus to jump from animal to human. If I'm not mistaken they have had others start there too. IF they truly have the numbers they are reporting they seem to have it under control. It is easy to arm chair or second guess, similar to the way the media is attacking the President,
    IF China had any nefarious action in this I could wish for karma.
    Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!
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  • chiefrchiefr Member Posts: 14,115 ✭✭✭✭
    GreatGuns said:
    Conveniently carry it into Northern Italy, infect the country, all the while knowing tourism would carry it to the US before anything could be done to stop it. No, I don't see it being likely. I still believe they thought they could contain it, keep it all quiet, but it didn't work out quite that way and ultimately had to tell the world after it was too late. Since it was kept quiet for too long, it was allowed time to go out of control, spreading through Italy and the rest of the EU. I'd say China is the ultimate in sheet hole countries. I also don't believe they are reporting accurate numbers, not at least according to many sources, including our CDC.
    Jim 

    Yep, spot on, they are not reporting the truth. Have a reliable source outside USA saying the same thing.

    But we have the same problems with the media here.  For most Americans, media has zero credibility. A bunch of liars using the Wuhan virus to influence an election.    

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  • pulsarncpulsarnc Member Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭✭

    My wife’s aunt is firmly convinced that the virus was deliberately created and let loose by China . It was to kill all of their old people , who were a drain on their economic resources, and revenge on Trump for cracking down on their unfair trade practices. No way to convince her otherwise. She read it on the internet so it has to be true !

    cry Havoc and let slip  the dogs of war..... 
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  • SoreShoulderSoreShoulder Member Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭
    edited March 2020
    https://listverse.com/2020/03/20/top-10-reasons-to-believe-the-wuhan-virology-lab-caused-2019-ncov/

    That's  top 10 reasons to believe the Wuhan virology lab caused 2019
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  • Smitty500magSmitty500mag Member Posts: 13,623 ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2020
    If China could get rid of a few million of their own people it wouldn't hurt them. But I don't understand what they would have to gain by killing the goose that lays their golden eggs which is the American consumer. Which makes me believe it was an accidental release of the virus from one of their labs. 

    But if China ever had plans to attack the US what better way to start off? First by killing a bunch of Americans plus destroying their economy before they attack? 
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  • serfserf Member Posts: 9,217 ✭✭✭✭
    Out of Chaos come order “Chaos was/is the law of nature; Order was the dream of man.”



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  • TRAP55TRAP55 Member Posts: 8,292 ✭✭✭
    "The Wuhan Institute of Virology is a research institute on virology administered by the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS)."
    Yeah, I believe it just jumped from animal to human without any help, and that the Wuhan Institute of Virology isn't a Bio Weapons Research Center. Oh yeah, also there is no connection to all of these artificially mutated flu viruses, that just happen to originate there....year after year. We need green font.
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  • mogley98mogley98 Member Posts: 18,291 ✭✭✭✭
    What is more interesting i think is that not only did it jump from Animal to human but it immediately adapted to jump from human to human, that normally takes much longer to happen. Could indicate an engineered virus but who knows
    Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!
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  • spasmcreeksrunspasmcreeksrun Member Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭
    china has a goal of being the #1 nation in the world.....they have the population to work it...USA has given them biased trade agreements for many  years..now Trump is challenging our old giveaways to china....and rightfully so....so china is retaliating on any level it can.....America had better keep its eyes open and move quickly to respond to  any level china responds to our balancing acts......or we will be squashed into subservience
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  • serfserf Member Posts: 9,217 ✭✭✭✭
    spasmcreeksrun said:
    china has a goal of being the #1 nation in the world.....they have the population to work it...USA has given them biased trade agreements for many  years..now Trump is challenging our old giveaways to china....and rightfully so....so china is retaliating on any level it can.....America had better keep its eyes open and move quickly to respond to  any level china responds to our balancing acts......or we will be squashed into subservience
      Too late,the evil genie is already loose. Having U.S. citizens flying in with just temperature checks for a whole month after knowing how it incubated with no symptoms but highly contagious  was not keeping our eyes open. The eyes were open wide shut.
           Believe me when I say I hope I am wrong then being dead right. The wager has been placed for you and there is nothing you can do but isolate and hope you win this first round for it may be back next season.
                                                      serf

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  • RidefarRidefar Member Posts: 317 ✭✭✭
    dirty
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  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭
    serf said:
    spasmcreeksrun said:
    china has a goal of being the #1 nation in the world.....they have the population to work it...USA has given them biased trade agreements for many  years..now Trump is challenging our old giveaways to china....and rightfully so....so china is retaliating on any level it can.....America had better keep its eyes open and move quickly to respond to  any level china responds to our balancing acts......or we will be squashed into subservience
      Too late,the evil genie is already loose. Having U.S. citizens flying in with just temperature checks for a whole month after knowing how it incubated with no symptoms but highly contagious  was not keeping our eyes open. The eyes were open wide shut.
           Believe me when I say I hope I am wrong then being dead right. The wager has been placed for you and there is nothing you can do but isolate and hope you win this first round for it may be back next season.
                                                      serf

    Americans coming in from Wuhan and from the Pacific Princess were all quarantined for 14 days regardless of whether their temperature checked out good or bad.

    Those coming in from Europe who were exposed to lessor risks were given temperature checks and asked to self-quarantine.  Were we to lock them all up?

    The virus was here, is here, and will be here.  It was impossible to keep it from the US, and it is not possible to 100% eradicate it.  We will be living with it for years if not forever.  Do we shut the country down until everyone is vaccinated?  While that seems like the only answer that will satisfy some, it should be patently obvious to every one of us that it is not a practical solution.

    Prior to the development of the vaccine, there were annual polio outbreaks in the US.  At its peak, upwards of 5,000 deaths occurred per year in a population that is less than half of what we have today.  Yet we soldiered on.

    Every year there are 10s of thousands of deaths due to some strain of the flu in the US.  Some get vaccinated for it, some do not, but each day we leave our house from September to May, we do so with the knowledge that the flu is out there.  Yet we soldier on.

    We are treating this virus a lot differently, though the Human Corona Virus has been around for decades.  A new strain has emerged, just a new strains of the flu virus emerge every few years.  History may tell us that this one is significantly different, but one must ask how many of those who have contracted it and died would also be a risk for the same result had they contracted the flu?

    A measured response to these things is always the right answer.  Go with you best guess regarding the balancing of public health, personal freedoms and the economy and adjust as deemed necessary as conditions change.

    That seems to me to exactly how the US has addressed this, while some states have simply just gone nuts with government mandated control of their citizens.  Hopefully the measure response regains its rightful place in the hierarchy of governance, and we move through and past this without setting the conditions for an economic catastrophe that will damage and/or kill many more people than will have been saved.


    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
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  • serfserf Member Posts: 9,217 ✭✭✭✭

     Humans are doomed to repeat History. Yes we should have held all people coming in for two weeks in January. If the outbreak is severe here well I know why in my book. It was not done because of greed and money.  Dismissing one carrier could have saved hundreds of lives especially in NYNY.
                                                                    serf

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  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭
    Tourists?  Not likely.  Since the 1990's there has been a large Chinese ex-pat community in the Prato area, working in the textile & leather factories.  The Chinese were originally brought in for cheap labor, but were smart enough, & worked hard enough, to be successful in business.  With the long incubation period of COVID19, I suspect that they were caught off guard like we were.
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  • serfserf Member Posts: 9,217 ✭✭✭✭
     Down here in Houston Texas they all came  from Italy and the rest of Europe. Tourists, so living where everybody in the world flies in was/is stupid after the end of January . How much you want to bet that our intelligence people told Trump that in a debriefing just that. Why don't declassify it and show us!
                                                                        serf

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  • BobJudyBobJudy Member Posts: 6,671 ✭✭✭✭
    Don McManus said:
    serf said:
    spasmcreeksrun said:
    china has a goal of being the #1 nation in the world.....they have the population to work it...USA has given them biased trade agreements for many  years..now Trump is challenging our old giveaways to china....and rightfully so....so china is retaliating on any level it can.....America had better keep its eyes open and move quickly to respond to  any level china responds to our balancing acts......or we will be squashed into subservience
      Too late,the evil genie is already loose. Having U.S. citizens flying in with just temperature checks for a whole month after knowing how it incubated with no symptoms but highly contagious  was not keeping our eyes open. The eyes were open wide shut.
           Believe me when I say I hope I am wrong then being dead right. The wager has been placed for you and there is nothing you can do but isolate and hope you win this first round for it may be back next season.
                                                      serf

    Americans coming in from Wuhan and from the Pacific Princess were all quarantined for 14 days regardless of whether their temperature checked out good or bad.

    Those coming in from Europe who were exposed to lessor risks were given temperature checks and asked to self-quarantine.  Were we to lock them all up?

    The virus was here, is here, and will be here.  It was impossible to keep it from the US, and it is not possible to 100% eradicate it.  We will be living with it for years if not forever.  Do we shut the country down until everyone is vaccinated?  While that seems like the only answer that will satisfy some, it should be patently obvious to every one of us that it is not a practical solution.

    Prior to the development of the vaccine, there were annual polio outbreaks in the US.  At its peak, upwards of 5,000 deaths occurred per year in a population that is less than half of what we have today.  Yet we soldiered on.

    Every year there are 10s of thousands of deaths due to some strain of the flu in the US.  Some get vaccinated for it, some do not, but each day we leave our house from September to May, we do so with the knowledge that the flu is out there.  Yet we soldier on.

    We are treating this virus a lot differently, though the Human Corona Virus has been around for decades.  A new strain has emerged, just a new strains of the flu virus emerge every few years.  History may tell us that this one is significantly different, but one must ask how many of those who have contracted it and died would also be a risk for the same result had they contracted the flu?

    A measured response to these things is always the right answer.  Go with you best guess regarding the balancing of public health, personal freedoms and the economy and adjust as deemed necessary as conditions change.

    That seems to me to exactly how the US has addressed this, while some states have simply just gone nuts with government mandated control of their citizens.  Hopefully the measure response regains its rightful place in the hierarchy of governance, and we move through and past this without setting the conditions for an economic catastrophe that will damage and/or kill many more people than will have been saved.


    Stop it Don. Visions of the apocalypse and conspiracy theories are more interesting than a well thought out voice of reason.  Don't ruin it for those of us at home and bored. 😁 Bob
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  • serfserf Member Posts: 9,217 ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2020
    BobJudy said:
    Don McManus said:
    serf said:



    Stop it Don. Visions of the apocalypse and conspiracy theories are more interesting than a well thought out voice of reason.  Don't ruin it for those of us at home and bored. 😁 Bob

     Telling it to the public that it is has been inevitable anyway and suck it up is not comforting, and no it not a conspiracy it was lack of leadership,the leaders were told of the consequences way before the lock down. The Conservative Pundits are blaming the Democrats/media for distracting Trump with impeachment proceedings as the reason for the lack of action! What a joke. No spin news? ROFL Bill O Reilly is an idiot on this one.
                                                                                                  serf


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  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,437 ******
    Highly unlikely, Yosh. Why would they want to kill off a chunk of their own citizens?
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
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  • Rocky RaabRocky Raab Member Posts: 14,497 ✭✭✭✭
    Why, it's China's magnanimous contribution to the battle against global warming, of course.
    I mean - if you're going to propose a conspiracy theory, why not make it a doozy?
    (Yes, that's sarcasm. I think the whole "deliberate release" or even accidental but manufactured virus is ludicrous and delusional.
    I may be a bit crazy - but I didn't drive myself.
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  • BobJudyBobJudy Member Posts: 6,671 ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2020
    serf said:
    BobJudy said:
    Don McManus said:
    serf said:



    Stop it Don. Visions of the apocalypse and conspiracy theories are more interesting than a well thought out voice of reason.  Don't ruin it for those of us at home and bored. 😁 Bob

     Telling it to the public that it is has been inevitable anyway and suck it up is not comforting, and no it not a conspiracy it was lack of leadership,the leaders were told of the consequences way before the lock down. The Conservative Pundits are blaming the Democrats/media for distracting Trump with impeachment proceedings as the reason for the lack of action! What a joke. No spin news? ROFL Bill O Reilly is an idiot on this one.
                                                                                                  serf


    Serf you misunderstood. My comment about conspiracies referred to the premise put forth in the original post. Could our government have performed better? Perhaps, but they seemed to have done better than most other countries. In one respect we are lucky that covid19 does not have the mortality rate of MERS or SARS or the infection rate of the measles. Bob
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  • NeoBlackdogNeoBlackdog Member Posts: 17,275 ✭✭✭✭
    Mr. Perfect said:
    Highly unlikely, Yosh. Why would they want to kill off a chunk of their own citizens?
    Think about it, Randy.   Less population for them would be a blessing, especially the less productive elderly.   If they can put a hurtin' on us while at the same time cutting the less productive members of their society I don't think they'd blink an eye.  
    Heck, if we believe what's taken as history they've already killed 60,000,000 +/- of their own citizens.  
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  • SoreShoulderSoreShoulder Member Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭
    It's hard to believe they'd be so obvious as to start an epidemic so close to a lab that allegedly bred the virus.  Perhaps they put the virology lab there because Wuhan has the right conditions to start an epidemic. 
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  • yoshmysteryoshmyster Member Posts: 22,059 ✭✭✭✭

    Okay, maybe it was supposed to shut down Hong Kong protesters? But it went a little overboard and shut the world down. Since China produce a large chunk of meds this might put a pause on the tariff.

    As for human to human transfers jumping so quick. They been at it since SARS. Killing off their old and the weak is just fine with the government. I'll bet the government will give the okay for the populous to produce more children for the work force. Kind of a win win for them iPhone XX.

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  • DirtyDawgDirtyDawg Member Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭
    Let's not forget about the Harvard professor that got caught smuggling biological vials to China; after taking huge sums of money from China.




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  • mjrfd99mjrfd99 Member Posts: 4,553 ✭✭✭
    Mr. Perfect said:
    Highly unlikely, Yosh. Why would they want to kill off a chunk of their own citizens?
    Because they have done it before?
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/11/the-cultural-revolution-50-years-on-all-you-need-to-know-about-chinas-political-convulsion
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