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Just A Thought RE: Coronavirus And Avoiding Same
nunn
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I had a chilling thought. Let's suppose a person lives alone or in a small family group, in a secure dwelling, and has no need to go out. All bills are paid and all shopping is done online, and everything, even groceries, is delivered. He has no control over how those deliveries are handled, or by whom, before they were actually placed on the doorstep. Any time he steps out to bring in a box from Walmart or Amazon, he could very well be bringing the coronavirus into his home.
So, we can be careful. We can be cautious. We can take extraordinary steps to protect ourselves. But, in the final analysis, plain old dumb luck, or the lack of it, is a major factor.
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Margaret Thatcher
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Mark Twain
Same with shopping , I carry a spray bottle and wipe down all the sealed stuff I buy
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
I have been washing my hands so much these last few weeks that they have turned into tanned gator hide!
A few weeks ago, I listened to an "expert" from the World Health Organization state that this coronavirus is not contagious from person to person.
Brad Steele
I would take Cuomo's predictions with a grain of salt. New York is different than most of the rest of the country, and his predictions are based upon the rest of the country being like New York.
It is not. We are much more spread out, and I would hazard to guess that we are, in general, more respectful of the potential harm we could cause others than are many in the city.
Remember this guy?
https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-patient-zero-in-new-york-home-cuomo
Earlier this month, New York City lawyer Lawrence Garbuz, 50, was revealed to be linked to a number of cases in New Rochelle. The case marked the first known instance of community spread in New York; some of the man’s relatives and friends later tested positive.
Many members of a synagogue where he had attended events were asked to quarantine themselves. Its rabbi also tested positive. Overall, Garbuz was linked to more than 90 cases in the area at the time.
CORONAVIRUS IN THE US: STATE-BY-STATE BREAKDOWN
“The ‘patient zero’ — what we call patient zero in Westchester, New Rochelle — who was very sick for a very long time, he has actually gone home,” New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo revealed during a press conference on Sunday, as per the New York Post. “He’s out of the hospital.”
It was first reported that he was concerned about having the virus, but when he could not get a test, he went about his daily routine. This was in early March. By that time, we had doubled down on our policy that if you feel sick, do not come to work (a policy we have had in place for years, but one that has taken on added meaning now).
With crowded conditions and people like this, it is no wonder New York has a problem. By contrast, look at the stats for Washington State. We were once the epicenter, but our numbers stabilized a long time ago. This was in part because social venues were closed, but it was also because the individual acted in advance of government dictate. By the time our governor placed a close the state order, the actions taken by individual citizens of this state had already brought the problem under control.
Brad Steele
Overkill? Maybe. But, my wife is a mid-chemo cancer patient, so the stakes are high.
I just don't get the current fawning over Cuomo. It is like hanging on every word of the weatherman after he caught caught out in the rain.
Brad Steele
As of now my wife cannot leave the house as she is part of the group with weakened immune system. I told I will do all of the shopping. As long as get her books and wine she is all set.
I spray on shoes, packages, bags, door knobs but never on food.
I suggest everyone take a lesson from our SE Asian counterparts and remove your shoes before entering your home. Switch to some type of house shoe, slipper or socks when inside. You would not believe the number of bacteria, virons, and other crap that attaches itself to the bottom of your shoes
Apples and veggies soak in a solution of sodium chloride NaCL (salt), agitated and later the salt is washed off with cold H2O.
Never mix ammonia and bleach together. Doing so can be deadly.
Here is a video that’s worth while to watch. He a nearby doctor and makes some very good points.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjDuwc9KBps
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Brad Steele
I'm an essential worker. My wife is as well. We do what we can. We don't go anywhere on weekends. Really try to limit grocery store trips. Work from home when possible. Always using hand sanitizer. Can't get new. But this will sweep across the country despite best efforts and most likely everybody's immune system is going to be tested unless you can seal yourself in house for several months. Heard a doctor on radio suggest boosting Vitamin C to make a bigger hurdle for the virus to overcome to infect you. He says it's worth it because it's cheap and no side effects. He treats his entire nursing home with it as a precaution.
Many many people carry it and don't even know they have it. People that don't know they have underlying conditions might be killed by it. I'm not old but I'm not young. It is worrisome. Everybody responds differently so it is not to be taken lightly. If I was old and close to retirement, I'd retire. If I was retired, I'd try to go to the store once a month and not go out beyond that. They were saying on radio today the germs land on the floors and people walk through them and carry them. Asymptomatic people could sneeze from an allergy and the germs are then on the floor due to gravity.
Your mail carrier could have it and not know. I cringe getting the mail every day now. They need to get the 5 minute at home tests they keep talking about, out in people's hands. They're so concerned about overwhelming hospitals that they're sending actual Covid-19 patients home who are sick and some end up dying at home.
Where I live there's still people who don't even know what's going on and don't make much effort to be careful. I hate to see what is going on but knowing that the next two weeks will probably be really bad for a lot of locations, maybe they should shut down the pharmacies grocery stores and gas stations too. They won't do it because they're worried about civil unrest. So, we're gonna have people with Covid-19 instead of being shot because they're going hungry. At some point you gotta say what happens happens and hope we get through it. There's a 99% chance you can get through it. Best of luck to everyone.
Denial. That is what us humans do.
https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/mortality.html
April may be different. Time will tell.
Brad Steele
How, for example, is this being addressed for Covid-19 deaths?
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/guidance-postmortem-specimens.html
We are collecting post-mortem samples to test for Covid-19. This is potentially good for future reference, but does it inflate the numbers in that a death where the virus is present goes into the Covid-19 tally regardless of whether it was the virus or an underlying condition that killed the person? Many if not most reports regarding an individual who is classified as dying from Covid-19 are referenced as dying of complications associated with the virus or similar language.
Not dismissing the severity of the virus in some, nor the fact that it seems to have killed some without any underlying health issues. While health care professionals may use the post-mortem testing for data collection and to build an understanding for future events, there are those that could mis-use the data by suggesting that a person with a 10 day prognosis due to congestive heart failure was killed by the virus rather than by the congestive heart failure.
Not to be crass, but with trillions of dollars being thrown about, there are going to be people who will skew results and/or use skewed results for personal gain. Looking at total deaths year over year may provide context for the current situation while still recognizing this for what it is or potentially can be.
Brad Steele
If $ 6 trillion saves 200,000 lives it works out to $ 30 million per life. While some may fancy their life to be worth that, from a practical standpoint, we know it is not the case, as there is not $ 30 million available to spend on every person in this country. If it saves 2,000,000 lives it works out to $ 3 million per life. A more manageable number, but even with a bottomless Federal Reserve, the $ 990 trillion total for every American is a pretty big nut.
The point of course, is that there are limits to what we should do to mitigate the spread of this virus, and these limits must be rationally discussed.
So (and back to the original post on this thread) the risk of contracting the virus can be mitigated, but not eliminated. Are we doing things just to do them and ignoring the long term costs, or are we/should we be looking at the totality of our reaction and perhaps mitigating the mitigation?
Brad Steele
A very well-reasoned assessment here. The sad reality is that there IS a limit. While we can implement risk mitigation into our daily lives, we can't hide out forever. While we should take immediately necessary fiscal measures, we can't write a blank check for this crisis. What about the next one? If we spend and quarantine ourselves into a national, and consequently, global depression, many more will die and our grand-kids will face the very real potential for national default and collapse.
Whew! I feel better.......and worse.