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Civil War.....
mohawk600
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Seeing the breakdown in the big cities and inability of the authorities to control the masses in the wake of the latest murder-by-cop...............are we headed for a new civil war?
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We have been headed towards a new Civil War, for quite some time now.
My question is what will kick it off? I believe total gun confiscation would be one. (Democrats being Elected and trying it.) There may not be a majority, but there are enough of us who will say "No." To make a difference. (3%?)
The other would be all the "Freebies," that have been handed out for decades are unable to be sustained.
There are many others. Personally, I do not watch the "News." (I used to be a News j u n k i e.) I have heard nothing about the rioting taking place, except for here. I get my News from GBGD.
As the Realtors say: it is Location, location, location. Nothing going on out here in the boonies.
I believe that to a point Sir.
There will come a time, that this type of behavior gets so out of control that the "Law Abiding Folk," will say "Enough. I've had enough of this crap." That time will eventually come. (Or we will be bulldozed.) Some people may take that. There are enough that will not, to start it up. When my house, my property, my friends, my family are threatened - Personally, I will say "Enough." I'm old enough (59 in two mo.) To say IDGAS, bring it.
No brag. Fact.
The other thing I would like to say, is that - that crap my fly in the Cities, but bring it to the rural outposts. It will be a different story.
When prodded he would say he is not a racist cuz he likes Negroes (Not the "N" word he used)
Yes, Black folk have a higher ratio involved in crime and yes black folk are the majority that come out acting like animals looting and destroying, But
But, the majority of Americans who are of African decent (we are all a decent person) are hard working law abiding fine people and to assume they are gonna rise up in a glorious war to take what da man has been keepin from dem dat is rightfully dere's is just absurd
There well may be a meltdown because of the dollar collapsing or an international economic collapse of unimaginable levels or whatever but listen up
The will not be a frigging, Frellen, Fracking Race War
(Sorry if I threw cold water on some who may be having a not so dry dream to finally become that KKKer they always dreamt about)
"Fools learn from their own mistakes. I learn from the mistakes of others"
Otto von Bismarck
For most of us. It is not about the "Color," it is about the behavior. YVMD.
I agree it is not about "Race." It is about Acceptable behavior vs. Unacceptable behavior.
It will not be a "Race" war, it will be a "I have had enough of this Unacceptable Behavior War."
White, Black, Brown, Purple. It is not your Color, it is how you act and conduct yourself. If you have no respect for me, I will have no respect for you. I don't care what your color is. (And) Will treat you as such.
The "Law abiding folk" will eventually have enough of this "problem," Bob.
When they take it to the "Wrong Guy, wrong situation," it will make the News. (And) the "Guy" will be justified in protecting himself, his house, his property, and his Family.
Some people are Not Sheep. (And) Will fight back given the proper motivation.
Act like an Animal, get treated like an Animal. I don't care what your Color is.
Some people have the necessities needed to fight back, if the situation requires it. If you do not, then well, that is on you, and your lack of preparedness.
Today, we don't have the bad * black and white activity anywhere close to what we had in those days...so we ALL need to consider ourselves lucky. So what's the diff between then and now.
The diff, in a few major respects and on the surface, is a militaristic law enforcement type establishment, a refined type of military establishment, and criminal politicians who are protected by the news media at all levels, who also protect each other, where people like you and I would never see the light of day again, had we committed crimes like our politicians. Too many of these people do as they please and to hey with what their constituents want. Many of those people in the O'Bama administration, including him, were as corrupt as it comes and they walked free, some as multi millionaires, and now they are touted by the media and the misguided as having achieved world wide fame where popularity is concerned - include some Fox News reporting where Obama, himself, is concerned.
What we need to do is rise to the occasion and unite in one of two ways, both ways deal with acceptance of each other in a generic fashion or by accepting each other as we come, with MOST BUT NOT ALL of our baggage, such as T-Shirts, hats, insignia, slogans, flags, symbols, heritage, etc., that might be seen by some as being offensive. So, leave your DA MAN OWES US REPERARTIONS BS SUITCASE DA BASEMENT! Do this and good things will happen.
DEMOCRATs destroying DEMOCRAT utopias.
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KenK/84Bravo - There will be no "Civil War". There's no money in it. I do ponder at times when "riots" take place. How many folks will take up arms to get this "Civil War" going? I'll bet the ones that did will be "spun" in media as a nutter and not a patriot. If the civilians stop paying taxes as a "protest" we will be jailed or at the very least take our homes. Looters loot as a "protest" they'll get help loading the 80" HDTV and a free install in their new homes. Their old homes strangely caught fire.
As long as criminals got "rights" the understanding society will just have to abide. Here in California where the criminals and flavor of politicians are getting fat on the "law abiding". If I were to protect my property, I will be relieved of that said property by the government and given to the criminal I wronged. If I am not killed by the cops or by the criminals I will be behind bars so I really didn't need to protect my property.
Yosh, if it comes, it will not be about "the money." It will be about the Law Abiding folk, who work for everything they have and generally mind their own business, getting fed up enough about getting ripped off through taxes to give a large percentage of what they earn to give to those that have no desire to earn anything at all. (But) Those same people want and demand what you and I have anyway.
The other thing is the Lawlessness that seems to be creeping in, and being tolerated/condoned across the Country, as well as incremental loss of Rights and Liberties. (Kimi,) I feel Race relations are about as bad as I have ever experienced in my lifetime, exasperated by actions by the Obama Administration and perpetuated by the Inner City culture. More accurately this problem comes back to a lack of a Culture. This lack of a Culture is worse than I have ever seen it, and rapidly getting worse. (For example the looting, rioting and burning currently taking place in the Cities.) The Floyd murder is just an excuse, for this behavior, not the root cause.
If you are afraid of protecting your own Property, perhaps you should move to a State that has the Castle Doctrine. I live in one, and am not afraid to do what would be necessary to protect my Property, Friends and Family. (Not all States are like CA.) It was your choice to live there. It was my choice to live in a State that is Firearms friendly and allows it's Citizens the right to protect themselves. You still have the Right to choose where you live in this Country.
I respect you opinion Wearytraveler. However, anyone in my house at night can expect to meet Mr. 12 ga. Hardly any break ins where I live. The concept of everyone owning firearms and your gonna get shot, seems to resonate.
This Country needs a little more of that.
I am sure a Marine like you, is not going to cower in a corner if/when someone bust down your door, or has the audacity to come in your house uninvited while you are home. Pretty sure, we would both do the same thing.
Look at your signature line my Brother.
That may work in certain areas of the Country. Around here, you break in to someones House, it is somewhat expected you are going to get shot.
I trust the Jury's in this area, to do the right thing.
In trying to compare and contrast the differences we find there are many similarities with one of them being the rioting, looting, and burning of property during protests. This never seems to change, but today we have the radical, militant factions of all race and ethnicities...i.e. the Socialist/ Communist/Fascist that includes the ANTIFA punks, joining in with thousands of college students and other far out groups. All of which have different agendas, but generally support the race hustling BLM'ers and their misguided followers of different stripes...which makes the protests of today so much different from those of the past that centered primarily on blacks. Hence the daily and frenzied call for continuing reparations on a million fronts due to the crowding-out or diluted focus and bennies they now get. And John Q. Public is tired of supporting the hustler factions with their tax dollars, which is just another form of constant reparation payments.
During the NAM era there were a lot of hate crime's committed by militant blacks in civil and military settings. This was due to a myriad of so called reasons, many of which are bound to be the same. Black leadership in government and like organizations such as the Black Caucus, NAACP, Nation of Islam, the Black Panthers, to include, their civil rights leaders and so called religious leaders like Malcolm X, Jesse Jackson, and Jeremiah "GD AMERICA" Wright - O'BAMA'S spiritual leader etc., stirring up the pot of hate and discontent. They are still doing it and O'BAMA brought lots of gas to the White House, so who knows, perhaps, there have been more hate crimes including murders against other people by militant blacks in, say, the past twenty years than they were during the NAM era.
You mentioned culture or the lack thereof as the root cause for this behavior. With this in mind, is any sort of protesting body and violent activity ever legitimate against authority, as you see it?
There is "Protesting," Kimi, then there is "Rioting." Two different entities. Two different causes and two different type people involved.
Burning, looting, and beating innocent people crosses the line, and should denote a beat down, at the very least. Incarceration in every instance, IMHO. Shot, would be okay also.
There is indeed a violent activity that Should take place, in defense of our Constitutional/Bill of Rights. (And) I am for that uprising. Not "I needs me a big screen TV for free," BS. You know what I am talking about. Major difference.
On crossing lines: Who crossed the line first where seriously unacceptable law enforcement behavior is concerned.
Think about it.
KenK/84Bravo - Sure it's about the money. It's always about the money. The folks that pay taxes but not middle class (like me) and aren't represented. Yeah I'm dumb to stay and take it, then * about it and do nothing. The system broke me and starting over at my age scares. Sure I'm pretty but that only go so far these days. Without a "real" safety net, other than the cash from the condo sale that ain't much of a do over.
Understanding society will be the end of US.
Moving away is a temporary solution since bad just follows (see Oregon and Washington State). I ain't gonna move every 10/15 years.
As for "culture" what was the American culture? Consumerism? Marginalizing folks?