My thoughts on a "race" war. There won't be one.

dreher

It is ever so simple.  Most people, are decent people.  White, black, black, white it makes no difference.  90 to 95 per cent of both races are good honest decent people.  Neither whites nor blacks would be out looting and burning.   

The white trash and the black trash???  The trash is just that.  Trash.  They are the problem, not the good people!

Don McManus

Yet just like the stupid lockdown orders for the virus, the good people are under curfew in MInneapolis. This no longer is about George Floyd.

kimi

Are you saying that one side has all of the trash, while the other side is Lilly white?  And, what constitutes a race war?  One murder, perhaps, or two?  Were the rioters at the Colfax Riot trash?   

Mgderf

Anyone who destroys public or private property as a "protest", is anything BUT a "protestor".
They are nothing more than common criminals looking for any excuse on which to blame their illegal actions.
There simply is no reasonable excuse for this type of behavior. It is criminal, and should be dealt with as such.

kimi

Mgderf said:

Anyone who destroys public or private property as a "protest", is anything BUT a "protestor".
They are nothing more than common criminals looking for any excuse on which to blame their illegal actions.
There simply is no reasonable excuse for this type of behavior. It is criminal, and should be dealt with as such.

You might want to rethink what you're saying and recall the protesting events that led to the American Revolution.  

He Dog

I agree, there will not be one here.

dreher

Kimi, how can you read what I wrote and say I said one side has all the trash.  How can you take my 90 to 95 % of all black people and all white people are good honest decent people to mean one side has all the trash??

kimi

dreher said:

Kimi, how can you read what I wrote and say I said one side has all the trash.  How can you take my 90 to 95 % of all black people and all white people are good honest decent people to mean one side has all the trash??

I did not say that you did.  I simply asked those type questions.  One in order to involve the policeman that killed the fellow that started the unrest.   And the other had to do with Colonial protesters and the Boston Tea Party...where destruction of property is concerned.  In hindsight, please accept my apology for being so indirect and vague in my response to you.

Ditch-Runner

 I think its going to be more  the left vs the  right 
  the left keeps pushing more control and more laws infringing on the Constitution rights of the people they want to control our life  from birth to death . it will reach a breaking point if it continues on the same path  JMHO 
 watch the news the cities fall to just a group of protesters     just think what it would be with millions or even hundreds of thousands rebelling 

kimi

Ditch-Runner said:

 I think its going to be more  the left vs the  right 
  the left keeps pushing more control and more laws infringing on the Constitution rights of the people they want to control our life  from birth to death . it will reach a breaking point if it continues on the same path  JMHO 
 watch the news the cities fall to just a group of protesters     just think what it would be with millions or even hundreds of thousands rebelling 

I like your opinion, but it might rest with the likes of Lindsey Graham and Fox News talking heads like Hannity and Ingraham shocking the hell out of their democratic colleagues, friends, etc., that would view them as lepers forevermore.  And although it is a mighty big stretch, it's likely just as good or much better than any other alternative.

chiefr

kimi said:

Ditch-Runner said:

 I think its going to be more  the left vs the  right 
  the left keeps pushing more control and more laws infringing on the Constitution rights of the people they want to control our life  from birth to death . it will reach a breaking point if it continues on the same path  JMHO 
 watch the news the cities fall to just a group of protesters     just think what it would be with millions or even hundreds of thousands rebelling 

I like your opinion, but it might rest with the likes of Lindsey Graham and Fox News talking heads like Hannity and Ingraham shocking the hell out of their democratic colleagues, friends, etc., that would view them as lepers forevermore.  And although it is a mighty big stretch, it's likely just as good or much better than any other alternative.

Yep, the DEMOCRAT party is now committed to socialism and Marxist ideology. Even worse is their ruination of many customs and traditions that define us as a nation.  I seriously doubt people are going to sit around and watch DEMOCRATs begin the eradication of the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.  

FrancF

Controlling a media narrative is all that you see. Covid19 is now boring- fire up the riots by provocateurs to keep your eye off the ball.  If you haven't noticed, the media has dropped the death count tickers.    

kimi

FrancF said:

Controlling a media narrative is all that you see. Covid19 is now boring- fire up the riots by provocateurs to keep your eye off the ball.  If you haven't noticed, the media has dropped the death count tickers.    

Thanks for the better focus points!

Don McManus

Guidence being out by local officials. Translation: hide, cower and let it happen. A call to Arms would never be callled for by their pre-teen mayor or their milquetoast Governor. 100s of thousands of armed and good folks north of the twin cities. It will not spread too far north of snowflake central.

mohawk600

I don't think that the current unrest can quite be compared to the Revolution or Boston Tea Party.....Just my opinion. This is not revolution against a monarchy. It is violent protest of isolated incidents of police brutality. Opportunists looking for reason to create fire and destruction for the sake of fire and destruction. We can talk about the institutions and the reasons why some groups seem to be targeted more than others. These situations are magnified by social media and more real time reporting in general. I do think that a murder was committed by that officer and he will be dealt with.

kimi

I think if you read my next answer to dreher that you will better understand my initial response. You're right about the bigger sense of the issue though.

MrMag00

mohawk600 said:

I don't think that the current unrest can quite be compared to the Revolution or Boston Tea Party.....Just my opinion. This is not revolution against a monarchy. It is violent protest of isolated incidents of police brutality. Opportunists looking for reason to create fire and destruction for the sake of fire and destruction. We can talk about the institutions and the reasons why some groups seem to be targeted more than others. These situations are magnified by social media and more real time reporting in general. I do think that a murder was committed by that officer and he will be dealt with.

It wasn't murder or manslaughter, sorry you think that way. Evaluate the evidence and turn off the lame stream media. 

MrMag00

FrancF said:

Controlling a media narrative is all that you see. Covid19 is now boring- fire up the riots by provocateurs to keep your eye off the ball.  If you haven't noticed, the media has dropped the death count tickers.    

And here is the ball ... 
https://freedomfictions.com/no-he-didnt/

select-fire

Just step back..think what Putin or China would do?

discusdad

the riots are orchestrated by the Dems in order to portay Trump as a racist.  pre-election....even when these riots are in total democrat controlled cities,  the narrative is thrown at trump.  

KenK/84Bravo

Nope.

It is going to be a "You F'd up and went way too far War."

Warbirds

Anyone who thinks there will he a race war is delusional.

KenK/84Bravo

It will not be "Race war."

There will however, inevitably be a Civil War, of some sort. It is coming. To many dichotomies in play to think otherwise. If you are paying attention, and intelligent, you can see it coming.

SCOUT5

mohawk600 said:

I don't think that the current unrest can quite be compared to the Revolution or Boston Tea Party.....Just my opinion. This is not revolution against a monarchy. It is violent protest of isolated incidents of police brutality. Opportunists looking for reason to create fire and destruction for the sake of fire and destruction. We can talk about the institutions and the reasons why some groups seem to be targeted more than others. These situations are magnified by social media and more real time reporting in general. I do think that a murder was committed by that officer and he will be dealt with.

The comparison is valid IMO.  My reasoning is that violence is attention grabbing, can be motivating, and in can be the only way to strike back at overwhelming powers.   The reasoning behind the events need not be the same.  Powerful well armed government officials are not concerned with peaceful protest.   If the situation ever comes about that  we the people decide to use armed resistance against our government it will not be peaceful.   The English powers and the majority of the people  considered the Boston  Tea Party an illegal act (which it was) and the participants criminals.  In history we consider them patriots and heroes.  To be clear  I do no think of the people looting and burning right now as patriots or heroes or that they are even right to do it.  But I do understand it.

My point is to condemn violent protests simply because they are violent is not going to resolve any issues.   The issue has to be kept front and center  and addressed, or not, as appropriate.   The issue can't be sidelined because we don't like the people involved.  That is why I bring up the Boston Tea Party, to illustrate that  violence isn't bad just because it is violent.

We are all participants in the over reaching abuse of power our government often orchestrates.  We vote these people in.   We agree to give them that power.   If someone decides to strike back we are all targets.  Private property or public property, striking either is also a strike against the system, because we are all the system.   

We do not have a monarchy, but a controlling oligarchy is growing if it continues it will have to be dealt with.  I doubt it will be peaceful.

SCOUT5

Ditch-Runner said:

 I think its going to be more  the left vs the  right 
  the left keeps pushing more control and more laws infringing on the Constitution rights of the people they want to control our life  from birth to death . it will reach a breaking point if it continues on the same path  JMHO 
 watch the news the cities fall to just a group of protesters     just think what it would be with millions or even hundreds of thousands rebelling 

I do nor disagree that the liberals are doing as you posted.  But I want to remind people the republicans just supported and passed extension of the patriot act and even strengthened it in the process.  They also just supported, pushed, and passed a law the makes it illegal for 18 year old adults to buy cigarettes.    Those are just two of the very recent infringements the republicans supported and passed.  It's not just the liberals.

SCOUT5

dreher said:

It is ever so simple.  Most people, are decent people.  

I agree.   

mohawk600

SCOUT5 said:

mohawk600 said:

I don't think that the current unrest can quite be compared to the Revolution or Boston Tea Party.....Just my opinion. This is not revolution against a monarchy. It is violent protest of isolated incidents of police brutality. Opportunists looking for reason to create fire and destruction for the sake of fire and destruction. We can talk about the institutions and the reasons why some groups seem to be targeted more than others. These situations are magnified by social media and more real time reporting in general. I do think that a murder was committed by that officer and he will be dealt with.

The comparison is valid IMO.  My reasoning is that violence is attention grabbing, can be motivating, and in can be the only way to strike back at overwhelming powers.   The reasoning behind the events need not be the same.  Powerful well armed government officials are not concerned with peaceful protest.   If the situation ever comes about that  we the people decide to use armed resistance against our government it will not be peaceful.   The English powers and the majority of the people  considered the Boston  Tea Party an illegal act (which it was) and the participants criminals.  In history we consider them patriots and heroes.  To be clear  I do no think of the people looting and burning right now as patriots or heroes or that they are even right to do it.  But I do understand it.

My point is to condemn violent protests simply because they are violent is not going to resolve any issues.   The issue has to be kept front and center  and addressed, or not, as appropriate.   The issue can't be sidelined because we don't like the people involved.  That is why I bring up the Boston Tea Party, to illustrate that  violence isn't bad just because it is violent.

We are all participants in the over reaching abuse of power our government often orchestrates.  We vote these people in.   We agree to give them that power.   If someone decides to strike back we are all targets.  Private property or public property, striking either is also a strike against the system, because we are all the system.   

We do not have a monarchy, but a controlling oligarchy is growing if it continues it will have to be dealt with.  I doubt it will be peaceful.

My point exactly....these protests are violent for the sake of violence. The stores being burned and looted have absolutely nothing to do with the race relations in our society. Throwing a load of Tea in Boston Harbor......while illegal at the time, was a direct protest against unfair taxation.

mohawk600

MrMag00 said:

mohawk600 said:

I don't think that the current unrest can quite be compared to the Revolution or Boston Tea Party.....Just my opinion. This is not revolution against a monarchy. It is violent protest of isolated incidents of police brutality. Opportunists looking for reason to create fire and destruction for the sake of fire and destruction. We can talk about the institutions and the reasons why some groups seem to be targeted more than others. These situations are magnified by social media and more real time reporting in general. I do think that a murder was committed by that officer and he will be dealt with.

It wasn't murder or manslaughter, sorry you think that way. Evaluate the evidence and turn off the lame stream media. 

So Mr. Magoo............you think that death was justified? It was jack-booted thuggery caught on video that resulted in the death of a man. Even if he had a criminal past and was attempting to spend a counterfit $20.....it doesn't justify what I saw on video or the resultant death. I feel sorry for your thinking brother...... LEO?

chiefr

FrancF said:

Controlling a media narrative is all that you see. Covid19 is now boring- fire up the riots by provocateurs to keep your eye off the ball.  If you haven't noticed, the media has dropped the death count tickers.    

The media and their DEMOCRAT partners have transitioned from blaming Trump for the pandemic to blaming Trump for the the cops killing Floyd as well as the riots. 
 

yoshmyster

jim_lemay said:

When or if a "Civil war" starts, the UN Troop will come in and occupy the USA to quell the war. Chinese will make up the bulk of the UN Troops. THE USA WILL FALL.
  

The reboot "Red Dawn" scenario without actually invading but "invited" in. Sons of Sun Tzu would be proud.

mohawk600

yoshmyster said:

jim_lemay said:

When or if a "Civil war" starts, the UN Troop will come in and occupy the USA to quell the war. Chinese will make up the bulk of the UN Troops. THE USA WILL FALL.
  

The reboot "Red Dawn" scenario without actually invading but "invited" in. Sons of Sun Tzu would be proud.

WOLVERINES

serf

They are shipping in  pallets of bricks for the protesters.It won't be long and martial law will be enacted even without the Democrats voting for it.

                                                serf

SCOUT5

mohawk600 said:

SCOUT5 said:

mohawk600 said:

I don't think that the current unrest can quite be compared to the Revolution or Boston Tea Party.....Just my opinion. This is not revolution against a monarchy. It is violent protest of isolated incidents of police brutality. Opportunists looking for reason to create fire and destruction for the sake of fire and destruction. We can talk about the institutions and the reasons why some groups seem to be targeted more than others. These situations are magnified by social media and more real time reporting in general. I do think that a murder was committed by that officer and he will be dealt with.

The comparison is valid IMO.  My reasoning is that violence is attention grabbing, can be motivating, and in can be the only way to strike back at overwhelming powers.   The reasoning behind the events need not be the same.  Powerful well armed government officials are not concerned with peaceful protest.   If the situation ever comes about that  we the people decide to use armed resistance against our government it will not be peaceful.   The English powers and the majority of the people  considered the Boston  Tea Party an illegal act (which it was) and the participants criminals.  In history we consider them patriots and heroes.  To be clear  I do no think of the people looting and burning right now as patriots or heroes or that they are even right to do it.  But I do understand it.

My point is to condemn violent protests simply because they are violent is not going to resolve any issues.   The issue has to be kept front and center  and addressed, or not, as appropriate.   The issue can't be sidelined because we don't like the people involved.  That is why I bring up the Boston Tea Party, to illustrate that  violence isn't bad just because it is violent.

We are all participants in the over reaching abuse of power our government often orchestrates.  We vote these people in.   We agree to give them that power.   If someone decides to strike back we are all targets.  Private property or public property, striking either is also a strike against the system, because we are all the system.   

We do not have a monarchy, but a controlling oligarchy is growing if it continues it will have to be dealt with.  I doubt it will be peaceful.

My point exactly....these protests are violent for the sake of violence. The stores being burned and looted have absolutely nothing to do with the race relations in our society. Throwing a load of Tea in Boston Harbor......while illegal at the time, was a direct protest against unfair taxation.

This is a protest against police abuse of power.   Race relations are being thrown in for all the common reasons.   Direct action against the police would be a direct action against what is seen as unfair.   I'm not condoning it,  just stating things.   

smartoldguy

kimi said:

Mgderf said:

There simply is no reasonable excuse for this type of behavior. It is criminal, and should be dealt with as such.

You might want to rethink what you're saying and recall the protesting events that led to the American Revolution.  

Are you thinking of the Tea Party?  That was an act of specifically-targeted protest against punitive taxation.  It wasn't generalized wanton destruction.  Have you other examples?

After a point it became not a civil protest but a bid for independence and consequently a state of war.  That too is a whole nother animal.

BobJudy

smartoldguy said:

kimi said:

Mgderf said:

There simply is no reasonable excuse for this type of behavior. It is criminal, and should be dealt with as such.

You might want to rethink what you're saying and recall the protesting events that led to the American Revolution.  

Are you thinking of the Tea Party?  That was an act of specifically-targeted protest against punitive taxation.  It wasn't generalized wanton destruction.  Have you other examples?

After a point it became not a civil protest but a bid for independence and consequently a state of war.  That too is a whole nother animal.

Good analysis. Bob

mogley98

Nah, light up another blunt, take a good long swig of your drink,  make some more babies, smash something and run, no one is interested in any damn Race wars just send them another check

kimi

smartoldguy said:

kimi said:

Mgderf said:

There simply is no reasonable excuse for this type of behavior. It is criminal, and should be dealt with as such.

You might want to rethink what you're saying and recall the protesting events that led to the American Revolution.  

Are you thinking of the Tea Party?  That was an act of specifically-targeted protest against punitive taxation.  It wasn't generalized wanton destruction.  Have you other examples?

After a point it became not a civil protest but a bid for independence and consequently a state of war.  That too is a whole nother animal.

I was thinking about a lot of protest type events where citizens gathered to air their concerns about the authoritative actions taken against them, some of which turned destructive and/or violent.  There are similarities between some of these events where public anger, assembly, and violence directed at authority cannot be denied, whether a war followed or not.  This is the common-sense point that is so easily seen.

SCOUT5

Only about 1/3 of the people supported gaining independence from England.  About 1/3 supported England and the rest didn't worry about it.     My point being it doesn't take a majority to make a protest valid.