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latest info on George Floyd

spasmcreeksrunspasmcreeksrun Member Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭
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2 independent pathologists ruled he died of asphyxiation ...and Floyd worked security for a club where the police officer was also hired in a similar role and fired him for to forceful responses to situations in the club about a year ago.....the plot thickens ....imho...the 3rd degree murder/manslaughter was a weak cover up response by locals whose police union said they would support the cops to the max.....
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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,448 ✭✭✭✭
    Toxicology Report .. lets see what he had in the bloodstream
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  • mohawk600mohawk600 Member Posts: 5,526 ✭✭✭✭
    KenK/84Bravo said:

    Where is Mag00?

    Surely he will be along to set us all straight. He seemed to have the inside dope. (Pathologists on speed dial.) Etc.

    Maybe not.

    Hopefully he went somewhere else with his b.s.
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  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    Toxicology is important but irrelevant to a death by asphyxiation when you have a knee on your neck and two more goons holding you on your stomach by force.
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  • mohawk600mohawk600 Member Posts: 5,526 ✭✭✭✭
    KenK/84Bravo said:

    Personally, I thought he was Ban Hammered. (Hence his abscence.) Apparently, we were not that lucky. He is back. Up to his same old antics. Maybe we should "rename the United States." BS.

    We are on the same page as to his presence here mohawk600.

    Haven't seen that one yet.......what does Mag00 want to rename the US as?..........NuevoChino?????
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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,448 ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2020
    bpost said:
    Toxicology is important but irrelevant to a death by asphyxiation when you have a knee on your neck and two more goons holding you on your stomach by force.

    Negatory.. Panic attack by the BG could cause to hyperventilate and bingo.. dead. The one video showed the Officer trying to get him out of the car and BG was staggering ..under influence of something... even the 911 caller noticed it.  The ambulance was then called before he was on the ground. Only question I see is why did they put him on the ground... was he resisting >
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  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,381 ******
    I can tell you this. I watched the video of him being asphyxiated and I didn't need to see any medical report to know what happened.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,448 ✭✭✭✭
    How was he  talking and couldn't breathe.
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  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2020
    select-fire said:
    bpost said:
    Toxicology is important but irrelevant to a death by asphyxiation when you have a knee on your neck and two more goons holding you on your stomach by force.

    Negatory.. Panic attack by the BG could cause to hyperventilate and bingo.. dead. The one video showed the Officer trying to get him out of the car and BG was staggering ..under influence of something... even the 911 caller noticed it.  The ambulance was then called before he was on the ground. Only question I see is why did they put him on the ground... was he resisting >

    When you hyperventilate you pass out and breathing returns to normal.  It does not induce death.   A very important issue was his declaring he was claustrophobic when they tried to place this large man in the small seat of the car, that is his only point of resistance and completely understandable.  My business partner was claustrophobic.  He would run an old lady over, smash through doors and knock Mike Tyson flat to get out of his panic, it is a combo of flight and fight that is scary. 
    When George said I am claustrophobic they could easily have called the paddy wagon or supervisor.  Instead, they put him on his belly, (never recommended) and had three men kneeling on him, (never recommended) one with his knee on his neck while George pleaded for air and the crowd were begging for them to roll him on his side and check his pulse.  The man was compliant, all they had to do is place two officers at his side, lean him over the car and call a supervisor or paddy wagon.  Instead they spent eight minutes killing him to prove they were macho.
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  • SCOUT5SCOUT5 Member Posts: 16,181 ✭✭✭✭
    select-fire said:
    How was he  talking and couldn't breathe.
    I've treated a lot of people in respiratory distress.   Most of them say exactly "I can't breath" .   I've never heard one of them tell me  " I am experiencing impaired ventilation and am probably having poor gas exchange as a result"   It is an expression of what they are experiencing not a factual statement as they know it.   Though is is actually factual  as the act of breathing covers a lot more than just passing air in and out of your windpipe.

    I've discussed this before when the man in New York was killed as a result of the compromised position the police kept him in for to long.   Life isn't the movies, when someone is in respiratory distress there can a lot going on that can't be reversed by simple restoring them to a good position and allowing air in and out of the lungs.    Impaired gas exchange can trigger many declines in the body.
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  • papernickerpapernicker Member Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭
     I betcha he didnt wanna get cuffed and they couldnt get him in the car so they drug him out and kneeled on him till some leg restraints could be brought to bind him up.
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  • Smitty500magSmitty500mag Member Posts: 13,623 ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2020
    He was just taking a knee. Isn't that the fad these days? Probably heard the National Anthem being played. 
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  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,887 ✭✭✭✭
    Scout5 nailed it.  Eric Garner (the guy in NYC selling cigarettes) died of "compression asphyxia", due to the police choking his neck & compressing his chest to the point that he was unable to breathe. 
    George Floyd's death was a little different.  Videos are not clear, but it looks to me like Chauvin accidentally put pressure on Floyd's carotid arteries, in effect putting a "sleeper hold" on him.  Unable to move, he died quickly, due to brain hypoxia, heart failure, or drug overdose.
    There's a good reason for everything that they teach in the police academy.
    Neal

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  • chiefrchiefr Member Posts: 14,083 ✭✭✭✭
    Its all academic now.
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  • SoreShoulderSoreShoulder Member Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭
    edited June 2020
    The news said the police are trained to know that the knee on the back of the neck hold is risky but the official version is that it is safe.  

    Police departments and their trainers probably can't outright tell their cops "the point of the move is to restrict breathing and blood flow a bit so the suspect calms down."  Maybe trainees experience being held down that way and are expected to "get it."  

    Maybe it is mostly safe if only used for a few minutes.  Maybe they could have brought Floyd back if they had resuscitated him immediately after he became unconscious. 

    If any of this is true, Chauvin might not have gotten that you're only supposed to use the move for a few minutes at most.  There's also a chance someone who did what he did set out to commit murder and the charges should be upgraded to first degree murder.  Suppose he did understand the move could kill if applied long enough but thought he could get away with it because the tactic is officially approved.  He did know Floyd so there's a chance he wanted Floyd dead because most murder victims are killed by someone they know. 
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  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,092 ✭✭✭✭
    bpost said:
    Toxicology is important but irrelevant to a death by asphyxiation when you have a knee on your neck and two more goons holding you on your stomach by force.
    Not so much. Seen it in real life, drugs in system, stress of a police encounter, perp dies of heart attack.
    We shall see what shakes out.
    ?The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.?
    Margaret Thatcher

    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
    Mark Twain
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  • Butchdog2Butchdog2 Member Posts: 3,834 ✭✭✭✭
    What if?
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  • mjrfd99mjrfd99 Member Posts: 4,553 ✭✭✭
    What if they didn't make a mess and a war zone out of their hoods.
    Spent 30+years working in the neighborhoods they destroyed.  
    My grandfathers auto business was robbed and burned to the ground in '67 riots
    Uncle killed in a robbery by them in '71  - he stayed in their crap hole of Newark too long 
    Mom and Aunt both attacked and robbed by he same in our 2nd destroyed by them home town.
    They made me what I am.     DISGUSTED 

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