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The Package Division is the union’s largest division, serving hundreds
of thousands of members throughout North America. UPS is the single
largest employer in the Teamsters Union. The division is responsible for
ensuring that management abides by the UPS and UPS Freight National
Master Agreements. The UPS contract is the largest private collective
bargaining agreement in North America. The division represents UPS
package car drivers, air drivers, feeder drivers, part-time loaders,
unloaders, sorters, clerks and mechanics. It also represents thousands
of UPS Freight drivers and dockworkers.
Let's see...
Byron Burke, 19, Jalen Green, 19, Dishon Kinney, 18, Kenyon Peters, 18,
and Tre’von Williams, 19, face charges of breach of trust. Kinney and
Peters are also charged with criminal conspiracy.
What happened to theft? Where is ATF? Where are the charges with some teeth in them?
They have been released from the Lexington County Detention Center after meeting conditions of their bond.
Released? These people stole weapons and sold them ILLEGALLY!
And after all this, we still pay a huge premium to UPS and FEDX to ship our handguns OVERNIGHT, in order to prevent this type of thing from happening. I think a nice, big, fat Class Action Lawsuit against both shippers might straighten this out.
All you NEED to know is BLM; end of discussion, next issue please.
This is simply an easy out answer to a much more involved question. Just because they're all black doesn't mean this has devolved into a BLM consequence. There are legal precedence established and laws which have to be followed. Pressure should be applied to the proper point in order to get the proper response.
They have broken all kinds of federal law. Stealing guns that were sent through interstate commerce. Possession of stolen hand guns. Etc. Be interesting to see if the Feds ring them up.
I would think these are part time package loaders.By the the UPS guy that delivers your package has worked his way up to that job(most start part time loaders,fuelers and truck washers and work their way up) they are making too much money and have too good of benefits to do something stupid like stealing anything.
It is interesting whether cases like this go Federal. Here is a case that happened in the adjacent state 15 years ago. Just west of Asheville NC. A doe was killed by a car. The little fawn was taken in by a herd of cattle in the field. The little deer grew up with the cows and he thought he was a cow. Any day of the week, four or five cars would pull over to look at the four-pointer grazing on the grass in the cow pasture. One day, a North Carolina hillbilly pulled up and shot the buck with his 30-30. Horrified bystanders called 911. The Sheriff pulled up in a few minutes, the hillbilly had gutted the deer and was dragging him out of the field. He told the Sheriff, "My daddy taught me, if a man sees a deer, he shoots that deer and uses the meat to feed his family." It turned out, this guy had been busted for manslaughter 20 years earlier. He did five years in jail, did his probation and went on with his life. In North Carolina, a person with a felony conviction is allowed to possess one deer rifle. Sheriff busted the guy for tresspassing and hunting out of season. He got one month in county jail.
Unfortunately, the Federal DA in next door Asheville read of the case. According to federal law, a convicted felon may not possess a firearm. He took the hillbilly to trial, and he got seven years in Leavenworth.
I am sure that the US Attorney had some real federal crimes to deal with. He happened to read about this dead deer in The Asheville Citizen Times, and he took the time to put this guy in Leavenworth.
UPS seems to have adopted a "don't give a damn" attitude. I had an expensive gun being shipped to me that UPS had scheduled to arrive yesterday "by 9:00PM", signature required. I waited around all day checking the tracking info numerous times and it always said the same thing. Never got an update of any kind. And this after it had arrived at the UPS facility 25 miles away at 4:29AM, they couldn't get it that last 25 miles in almost 18 hours. This morning the tracking said it was "out for delivery" and would be delivered by 12:30PM. Of course the UPS truck finally showed up 2 hours later than that. And when he did, he just dropped it off, never asked for a signature, never apologized for any of it. No more UPS for me.
I had a neighbor who went to work for USPS. They had him delivering mail in a small town near here. It soon became evident to the Postal Service that "some" of his packages were not being delivered, so they sent a package from a well known outdoor supply company to the address of the Chief of Police's brother-in-law. Needless to say, the parcel didn't get there, and they picked my neighbor up before he got back to the P.O. with the serial numbered knife. They simply allowed him to "resign" without filing charges! He actually blamed the postal service for trapping him! I told him that I would have put his thieving a%% under the jail. Funny, he never spoke to me after that!
In the great state of NC if you are or have ever been convicted of a felon your voting right and firearms ownership days are over.
Rephrase, you can own as many guns as you like but you better not be caught out with one or found in your possession by any source of LEo. Possession means back in the gray bar hotel
In my limited experience the feds won't get involved unless the locals have an airtight case against the accused and he is a three time convicted felon. That way the ATF and AG can have a high conviction rate, look good and demand a long sentence. In my case the man was a three felon and coke addict, stole a couple of handguns when he burgled my house. He was convicted and sentenced to three years on the burglary. Then the feds took over and convicted him of a felon in possession of firearms and sentenced him to 15 years and seven months. He was 46 then. If he was a good prisoner he might be eligible for parole now. I'll have to check that out.
"In the great state of NC if you are or have ever been convicted of a felon your voting right and firearms ownership days are over.
Rephrase, you can own as many guns as you like but you better not be caught out with one or found in your possession by any source of LEo. Possession means back in the gray bar hotel"
Butchdog: We have state law and we have federal law, sometimes they are different. I can assure you that my story above is true, and that, 15 years ago in NC, a person convicted of a STATE felony could possess one hunting rifle. No pistols allowed. It is possible that state law has changed since then as Big Brother moves slowly, and unceasingly, towards confiscation of all firearms.
Then the feds took over and convicted him of a felon in possession of firearms and sentenced him to 15 years and seven months. He was 46 then. If he was a good prisoner he might be eligible for parole now. I'll have to check that out.
Can/will someone in the "know" please tell me.......I've heard it both ways that the Feds offer absolutely no parole in their system, then I read/hear statements like this ^ ^ ^ above that Fed parole is possible, so which is it....yes or no ?
"Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee
I used to use UPS to ship firearms. Two factors sent me to use the USPS exclusively.
The nearest hub counter to me is, or was, open only 90 minutes out the day. When they changed the hours yet again, I complained to the manager, and he was downright rude, even to the extent of using profanity. He referred me to his supervisor, who was even more rude and more profane.
Then, UPS had a problem with employees stealing handguns in shipment. Rather than actually deal with the problem employees, UPS forced shippers of handguns to pay for the UPS employees' dishonesty. Handguns were required to be sent next day air, and a much higher cost than ground service. I had a real problem with that, asking me to pay extra to help prevent in-transit theft.
So, I use USPS exclusively. I probably pay a little more to ship long guns over UPS Ground, but I seriously save with handguns.
Then the feds took over and convicted him of a felon in possession of firearms and sentenced him to 15 years and seven months. He was 46 then. If he was a good prisoner he might be eligible for parole now. I'll have to check that out.
Can/will someone in the "know" please tell me.......I've heard it both ways that the Feds offer absolutely no parole in their system, then I read/hear statements like this ^ ^ ^ above that Fed parole is possible, so which is it....yes or no ?
Disregard my question, have gotten the answer from someone who knows.
"Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee
The word "felon" is not found in GCA68 to describe someone convicted of a disqualifying firearms crime. It is "person convicted of a crime for which the penalty could exceed imprisonment for more than 1 year". So, for example, Maryland law considers transfer or importation of a magazine holding more than 10 rounds to be a misdemeanor, for which the penalty may be as much as 2 years imprisonment; so, a perp may walk after the ADA agrees to accept a guilty plea with 6 months probation. The perp walks, but he is no longer able to possess a firearm - for life.
There is no parole per se for Federal crimes. On state crimes you might see a guy sentenced to 15 years and he gets out on parole after 5 years. That doesn't happen for Federal inmates. The Feds allow 53 days per year of "good time." So if a guy is sentenced to 10 years, and he doesn't get in to trouble, such as, being in a fist fight, or smoking pot, at best he will have 530 days removed from his sentence. It goes year by year, so if he is caught smoking pot one day, his 53 good days for that year are erased, and he can try again next year to be a good inmate. Some guys serve the whole stretch, some guys who are good inmates are sentenced to 10 years, but serve only 8 1/2 years.
Years ago, the Feds had a program to eradicate felon convictions. After a guy had done his time, and probation, he could request a review of his case. ATF would talk to his probation officer, and to his boss. His house would be searched. If he came up clean, and if his was a non violent crime that did not involve guns, all rights would be restored including the right to own firearms. Lots of convicted federal felons had their guns rights restored under this program. In 1993, the President passed a new rule that de funded this program. So that nobody could have their records reviewed any more because there was no money for ATF to attempt to restore gun rights. Do you remember who was First Lady and co-President in that year? Yes, it is all part of the Dems incessant move to confiscate all firearms.
MY post office can no longer deliver mail with tracking numbers. They can't read the address correctly and conveniently deliver to defunct business address now for pick-ups. It's all the sign of the times. Just wait when all the homeless show up in the neighborhood looking for food and shelter.
Allen, I won't say the name, but it rhymes with "distillery". (Sort of.)
But, it wasn't a rule, it was a budget item engineered by the Dems in the House & signed by Slick Willie. Both Bushes signed off on the same item, showing that neither had a backbone (or read the budget bills). I don't know if Trump has pardoned anyone who was not a crony.
Then there's having your record expunged. Depending on where you are, you can have certain arrests & convictions erased from your records. Then you can answer that you haven't been arrested or convicted on certain forms and you don't have to disclose them. You can even have your mental health records expunged. You make an application to various agencies & if no one cares or is simply lazy, Shazam.
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Sheriff's office photo of guns stolen from UPS.
They have broken all kinds of federal law. Stealing guns that were sent through interstate commerce. Possession of stolen hand guns. Etc. Be interesting to see if the Feds ring them up.
Here is a case that happened in the adjacent state 15 years ago. Just west of Asheville NC.
A doe was killed by a car. The little fawn was taken in by a herd of cattle in the field. The little deer grew up with the cows and he thought he was a cow.
Any day of the week, four or five cars would pull over to look at the four-pointer grazing on the grass in the cow pasture.
One day, a North Carolina hillbilly pulled up and shot the buck with his 30-30.
Horrified bystanders called 911. The Sheriff pulled up in a few minutes, the hillbilly had gutted the deer and was dragging him out of the field. He told the Sheriff, "My daddy taught me, if a man sees a deer, he shoots that deer and uses the meat to feed his family."
It turned out, this guy had been busted for manslaughter 20 years earlier. He did five years in jail, did his probation and went on with his life. In North Carolina, a person with a felony conviction is allowed to possess one deer rifle. Sheriff busted the guy for tresspassing and hunting out of season. He got one month in county jail.
Unfortunately, the Federal DA in next door Asheville read of the case. According to federal law, a convicted felon may not possess a firearm. He took the hillbilly to trial, and he got seven years in Leavenworth.
I am sure that the US Attorney had some real federal crimes to deal with. He happened to read about this dead deer in The Asheville Citizen Times, and he took the time to put this guy in Leavenworth.
Imagine if they were five white guys wearing MAGA hats.
In my limited experience the feds won't get involved unless the locals have an airtight case against the accused and he is a three time convicted felon. That way the ATF and AG can have a high conviction rate, look good and demand a long sentence. In my case the man was a three felon and coke addict, stole a couple of handguns when he burgled my house. He was convicted and sentenced to three years on the burglary. Then the feds took over and convicted him of a felon in possession of firearms and sentenced him to 15 years and seven months. He was 46 then. If he was a good prisoner he might be eligible for parole now. I'll have to check that out.
Butchdog: We have state law and we have federal law, sometimes they are different. I can assure you that my story above is true, and that, 15 years ago in NC, a person convicted of a STATE felony could possess one hunting rifle. No pistols allowed.
It is possible that state law has changed since then as Big Brother moves slowly, and unceasingly, towards confiscation of all firearms.
"Then in 2004, the legislature banned all gun ownership by all convicted felons, including rifles used for hunting and handguns kept at home."
"Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee
The nearest hub counter to me is, or was, open only 90 minutes out the day. When they changed the hours yet again, I complained to the manager, and he was downright rude, even to the extent of using profanity. He referred me to his supervisor, who was even more rude and more profane.
Then, UPS had a problem with employees stealing handguns in shipment. Rather than actually deal with the problem employees, UPS forced shippers of handguns to pay for the UPS employees' dishonesty. Handguns were required to be sent next day air, and a much higher cost than ground service. I had a real problem with that, asking me to pay extra to help prevent in-transit theft.
So, I use USPS exclusively. I probably pay a little more to ship long guns over UPS Ground, but I seriously save with handguns.
"Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee
The Feds allow 53 days per year of "good time." So if a guy is sentenced to 10 years, and he doesn't get in to trouble, such as, being in a fist fight, or smoking pot, at best he will have 530 days removed from his sentence. It goes year by year, so if he is caught smoking pot one day, his 53 good days for that year are erased, and he can try again next year to be a good inmate.
Some guys serve the whole stretch, some guys who are good inmates are sentenced to 10 years, but serve only 8 1/2 years.
Years ago, the Feds had a program to eradicate felon convictions. After a guy had done his time, and probation, he could request a review of his case. ATF would talk to his probation officer, and to his boss. His house would be searched.
If he came up clean, and if his was a non violent crime that did not involve guns, all rights would be restored including the right to own firearms. Lots of convicted federal felons had their guns rights restored under this program.
In 1993, the President passed a new rule that de funded this program. So that nobody could have their records reviewed any more because there was no money for ATF to attempt to restore gun rights. Do you remember who was First Lady and co-President in that year?
Yes, it is all part of the Dems incessant move to confiscate all firearms.