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Any one seen the video of the latest police shooting in Kenosha?

mogley98mogley98 Member Posts: 18,291 ✭✭✭✭
Of course the rioting is already in full bloom but I saw the video on the news this morning and it sure looks like the guy makes a fast reach for something when he opens that car door. I've never been in law enforcement but if the officer thought he was going for a weapon. well as noted on this site many times play stupid games win stupid prizes. I suspect it won't be long before Defund the police won't be an issue it would take a heck of a person to sign up for that work in this day and age.
Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!

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  • asphalt cowboyasphalt cowboy Member Posts: 8,904 ✭✭✭✭
     Given the current social climate I'm convinced police officers patrolling our streets and highways need a wheelbarrow to carry their *s. 
  • GrasshopperGrasshopper Member Posts: 17,047 ✭✭✭✭
    Haven't read all of it but he had a knife in a convenience store or something like that and still had it on him. Course he is a good guy with a long rap sheet.
  • mohawk600mohawk600 Member Posts: 5,529 ✭✭✭✭
    Clean shoot..............officers will be exonerated.
  • Sam06Sam06 Member Posts: 21,244 ✭✭✭✭
    What they are not showing is the guy fighting the police prior to being shot.

    I watched some of the riots there and they should shoot everyone with a bull horn.
    RLTW

  • drobsdrobs Member Posts: 22,620 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2020
    Looked to me like the officer had a Negligent Discharge and then followed it up with 6 more shots.

  • Smitty500magSmitty500mag Member Posts: 13,623 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2020
    He wouldn't stop fighting them. So how was the cop to know what he was reaching for inside the vehicle? I also would have shot the thug but maybe not that many times. 

    Why would you even want to be a cop that goes into a black neighborhood? Nothing good is ever going to come out of it. No matter if it's a good arrest or not you're going to be blamed for something.
  • SW0320SW0320 Member Posts: 2,552 ✭✭✭✭
    He wouldn't stop fighting them. So how was the cop to know what he was reaching for inside the vehicle? I also would have shot the thug but maybe not that many times. 

    Why would you even want to be a cop that goes into a black neighborhood? Nothing good is ever going to come out of it. No matter if it's a good arrest or not you're going to be blamed for something.
    I agree with your comment about being a police officer.  If I was a white police officer sent a black neighborhood I would just go in and ask the perp to please stop the assault.  If they did not stop the assault I woud ask for a Supervisor.  No way in hell would I try to doing anything more in fact I would start taping so the DA can bring the correct charges.

    After watching the video and making the above comments it looked like the black guy just thought no way they are going to stop me or shoot me so I can do whatever I want.  Goes along with how all of the protesters are being treated in all of major cities.
  • Rocky RaabRocky Raab Member Posts: 14,510 ✭✭✭✭
    When are people going to learn?
    BLACK CRIMES MATTER
    I may be a bit crazy - but I didn't drive myself.
  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭
    Doesn't anyone carry an extendible baton any more?  Most folks will lie down if you tap them on the thigh with a baton.
    Neal
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,702 ✭✭✭✭
    Possible his shooting is in part a result of the reaction to the death of George Floyd.

    It looks like the police had him on the ground, but he was able to escape and get to his car door.  Have the Kenosha police been instructed to forego certain restraint techniques?  Hopefully the full truth will come out, but I have not been able to find a reputable source (D Trump Jr. does not fit the bill) regarding Blakes history.

    Yes, his history is important.  If he did injure a police officer in a previous encounter, it must be considered.
    If there was a current warrant for domestic violence and sexual assault, it must be considered.
    If there was a previous armed assault, it must be considered.

    Will we ever know what, if anything, he was reaching for in the car?  Does it matter in this case, where a man escaped from being held by police officers and the officer reacted to him reaching for something?  In the court of public opinion it will matter if it was his cell phone, a knife, his keys or a pistol.  In the head of a police officer placed in a stressful situation because of the actions of Blake, it probably should not.

    When you take less-than-lethal tools from law enforcement common sense informs us that lethal tools will have to be employed more often.  Blake was shot because of his actions, not his color.  An honest investigation will either condemn or exonerate the officer.  Lets hope we get one.
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  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    nmyers said:
    Doesn't anyone carry an extendible baton any more?  Most folks will lie down if you tap them on the thigh with a baton.
    Neal

    Is that before or after he pulls a hidden gun and puts a bullet in your head or stabs you in the throat with his knife?
  • mogley98mogley98 Member Posts: 18,291 ✭✭✭✭
    I agree that in the "old" days he would never have been allowed to continue going around the car to the drivers door but the officers were probably shy of physically restraining him from moving and again I'm no expert but it does appear to me he makes a quick reach for something as he opens the car door, I would have to blast him too.
    Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!
  • MrMag00MrMag00 Member Posts: 532 ✭✭✭
    I feel like if I were a cop in that situation, I would be aiming at the loud mouth crowd. 
  • Cling2mygunsCling2myguns Member Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭
    SW0320 said:
    He wouldn't stop fighting them. So how was the cop to know what he was reaching for inside the vehicle? I also would have shot the thug but maybe not that many times. 

    Why would you even want to be a cop that goes into a black neighborhood? Nothing good is ever going to come out of it. No matter if it's a good arrest or not you're going to be blamed for something.
    I agree with your comment about being a police officer.  If I was a white police officer sent a black neighborhood I would just go in and ask the perp to please stop the assault.  If they did not stop the assault I woud ask for a Supervisor.  No way in hell would I try to doing anything more in fact I would start taping so the DA can bring the correct charges.

    After watching the video and making the above comments it looked like the black guy just thought no way they are going to stop me or shoot me so I can do whatever I want.  Goes along with how all of the protesters are being treated in all of major cities.
    Yep, the thugs and criminals are being emboldened by the lack of enforcement they are seeing happen everywhere. The spineless dems are going to cause this to get way out of control and what is going to end up happening is a lot of good people are going to end up in prison for doing the police's job and getting prosecuted by the court of public opinion and the media. Meanwhile the thugs and criminals are being turned into modern day social justice warriors and heros. Not going to end well if we keep on this trajectory much longer.

  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,540 ✭✭✭✭
    I wasn't there. Cannot make any comment on the situation. Reckon the Officer thought their lives were in danger. I really liked how the victim listened to the Police.. Just walked by them and opened up the door.
  • hoosierhoosier Member Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭✭
    Knife in hand?

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  • chmechme Member Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭✭
    Knife in hand.  Been tased once.  Screaming you are going to get your gun and shoot me.  Grab for something in the car.  Question- am I going to shoot you?  
    Answer- I am damned well going to try.
    And the "News Media" has conveniently NOT reported those points- did they?
  • papernickerpapernicker Member Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭
    He was headed to cut the remaining wool roll from the sweater he just knitted in the car
  • serfserf Member Posts: 9,217 ✭✭✭✭
    More riots and looters with BLM hollering police brutality.Here in Houston Texas we have another young black woman and her  black boyfriend accidentally leave a 2 year old baby wondering around in an apartment playground that had gone missing and found dump nearby next to a bayou, Probably another infanticide incident according to the circumstances.
                                                    serf
    Crews located the body of a young African American girl around 11:15 a.m. in Brays Bayou in the 5200 block of Carrolton Street, according to Houston Fire Department officials. Acevedo said a jogger spotted the body floating in the water. She and her husband both contacted 911 shortly after the discovery.


  • gartmangartman Member Posts: 660 ✭✭✭
    Shooting a man in the back at point blank range that many times does look like murder was the intent, not an arrest. If the perp were put on trial for his "crimes" the penalty certainly would not be death.
  • mogley98mogley98 Member Posts: 18,291 ✭✭✭✭
    gartman said:
    Shooting a man in the back at point blank range that many times does look like murder was the intent, not an arrest. If the perp were put on trial for his "crimes" the penalty certainly would not be death.

    Maybe the police should only get one bullet like Barney LOL Shoot to stop the threat I doubt the officer was counting

    Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!
  • Sam06Sam06 Member Posts: 21,244 ✭✭✭✭
    Some guy with an AR shot 3 people last night.  I am not sure what he was doing but several rioters were chasing him down the street.  They caught him and were beating on him with a skateboard, one guy had a handgun.  It looked like they were trying to get his AR too.  He shot them and then turned himself over to the police who were just down the street.

    The guy looked very young to me.
    RLTW

  • capgun1capgun1 Member Posts: 63
    edited August 2020
    Dumb to put yourself in that position. Walk into a violent riot with a rifle, outnumbered, surrounded. Stay home and watch it on TV. Now he is going to have a lot of grief.
    The PD should put out information about the shooting. Without information everyone is putting out a false narrative, with no facts to refute the false information. If the guy had a knife, the PD certainly should have said that by now.  In all of these shooting of unarmed, fighting suspects, the cops never use pepper spray. All cops carry pepper spray. Sure a determined person can fight after being sprayed, but the person can not see, is disoriented, and at a physical disadvantage after being sprayed. Most people after being sprayed have had enough of the fight. 
     

  • NeoBlackdogNeoBlackdog Member Posts: 17,301 ✭✭✭✭
    capgun1 said:
    Dumb to put yourself in that position. Walk into a violent riot with a rifle, outnumbered, surrounded. Stay home and watch it on TV. Now he is going to have a lot of grief.
    The PD should put out information about the shooting. Without information everyone is putting out a false narrative, with no facts to refute the false information. If the guy had a knife, the PD certainly would have said that by now. 
    3 cops have him on the ground, and can not keep him down. I can't understand that, the guy does not look that big. Can't cops fight anymore? You do not have to grab a suspect's neck to subdue him. In all of these shooting of unarmed, fighting suspects, the cops never use pepper spray. All cops carry pepper spray. Sure a determined person can fight after being sprayed, but the person can not see, is disoriented, and at a physical disadvantage after being sprayed. Most people after being sprayed have had enough of the fight. 
     

    Well looky here!  Another arm chair quarterback!  NONE of us were there.  NONE of us know the particulars.  The ol' kid could have been jacked up on PCP, meth, or who knows what.  I've talked with cops that have had to subdue folks jacked up on drugs and they say some of them have almost super-human strength and shake off the effects of pepper spray like it was a blast of cold water.  
    Wait for the investigation to run it's course and then we'll find out what actually happened. 
  • serfserf Member Posts: 9,217 ✭✭✭✭


    capgun1 said:
    Dumb to put yourself in that position. Walk into a violent riot with a rifle, outnumbered, surrounded. Stay home and watch it on TV. Now he is going to have a lot of grief.
    The PD should put out information about the shooting. Without information everyone is putting out a false narrative, with no facts to refute the false information. If the guy had a knife, the PD certainly would have said that by now. 
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    Wait for the investigation to run it's course and then we'll find out what actually happened. 
            
    A second cell phone video of the officer-involved shooting of 29-year-old Jacob Blake on Sunday has emerged, showing the incident in a slightly new light.

    The footage showed Blake fighting with officers before he took off and ran to the driver’s door of his vehicle with police on his heels (video showed). The video suggests he may indeed have had a knife, and had ignored orders to drop it, before being shot.

    It also suggested that Blake's girlfriend lied to police when she claimed he hadn't been hostile.

    Another witness filmed part of the encounter between Kenosha police and Blake on his cell phone from across the street, but that video didn't show any scuffle with police.




  • capgun1capgun1 Member Posts: 63
    edited August 2020
    "Wait for the investigation to run it's course and then we'll find out what actually happened."
    Certainly we could do that, but then why are we even having this conversation? We are having a conversation basing our opinions on what information we have been provided. As more information is made available, we can alter our opinions appropriately.

  • capgun1capgun1 Member Posts: 63
    I am interested in hearing why all 3 officers had their guns drawn when following the suspect around the car. Must have been a reason. If he did not have weapon they could have attempted to subdue him physically or with the additional use of Tasers or pepper spray.  It is impossible to physically subdue someone, or use non lethal weapons, when you have your hands on your handgun. The PD needs to let the public know if the suspect had a weapon.
  • NeoBlackdogNeoBlackdog Member Posts: 17,301 ✭✭✭✭
    "The PD needs to let the public know if the suspect had a weapon."
    I'm sure that after the investigation we will find out exactly that, or not. 
    My guess is (and we are all guessing at this point) that right now they want to give the situation time to cool off before they declare it to have been a justified shooting because the 'suspect' did indeed have a weapon.     
  • armilitearmilite Member Posts: 35,490 ✭✭✭
    Yep the video doesn't show the whole story and there were some comments as to the police telling him to drop the knife. Kenosha is only 25 miles from where I live.
  • capgun1capgun1 Member Posts: 63
    edited August 2020

    Just read that a knife was found on the floorboard of Blake's car, and Blake admitted to having the knife. It will be interesting to see how the anti-police people respond to that. That information should have been released earlier. Professional baseball and basketball teams have cancelled their games today in protest. A professional football team refused to practice today in protest. The narrative may have completely changed. More information is needed. Rioting, killing, burning down the town, accurate information is essential ASAP.
  • Butchdog2Butchdog2 Member Posts: 3,834 ✭✭✭✭
    Trump to send in the calvary.
    Go Trump!
  • mogley98mogley98 Member Posts: 18,291 ✭✭✭✭
    Cancel all pro sports no skin off my back
    Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!
  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭
    We now know more about the guy with the AR.  He's 17, & was there to help keep order, so he now says.
    He didn't have the maturity & common sense to realize that putting himself in the middle of an armed conflict with a gun isn't a smart thing for a citizen to do.  He got into trouble, & thought he had no choice but to shoot his attackers.
    Someone has to pay for the crime; it isn't going to be the mayor or the city council of Kenosha.
    Neal
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