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Second wave of lock downs for Wuhan virus

serfserf Member Posts: 9,217 ✭✭✭✭
 Have most here seeing the second wave lock downs in Europe and think it could come here soon? Just in time for the month of November.
                                        serf
          British officials said Monday that COVID-19 infection rates were heading "in the wrong direction." The warning came as governments across Europe re-impose tougher measures to try to stem new outbreaks of the coronavirus.

The U.K. government's chief medical officer Chris Whitty said Monday that the infection rates across Britain had, "in a bad sense, literally turned a corner."

Chief scientific adviser Patrick Vallance warned, meanwhile, that if nothing is done to curb the spread of the virus, new infections could rise to nearly 50,000 daily by mid-October — up from nearly 4,400 new COVID-19 cases on Monday.  




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  • rufe-snowrufe-snow Member Posts: 18,650 ✭✭✭
    Really scary. Been following this overseas, for a couple weeks now. Not only in England, but it's been happening pretty much all over. Same places that got hit last spring. Seem to be getting hit, with a second wave of the Chinese crud. 

    Probably going to have to have a second lockdown? Personally I've had it with the dam lockdowns. But I don't know what else they can do? Really piss's me off. Want to go places, and do things. But got to stay away from crowds, and people in general to keep from getting it. 

    Navajo county, where I usually summer is a case in point.  They are up to 5,700 positive, and 235 dead from Corona. And it's a remote rural county, that's mostly Indian reservations and national forest.  Can't imagine what will happen? If they get hit with a second  wave?
  • nononsensenononsense Member Posts: 10,928 ✭✭✭✭
    Unfortunately, all of the non-casino reservations in Arizona have been hit harder than the rest of the state. The basic reasoning is that there is a significant lack of clean, potable water. Then there is the lack of PPE from the lack of medical attention. Much of this stems from the rules which the reservations follow but also from the land on which they were placed. Many settlements have to have water trucked in. Some individuals are depending on private programs designed to provide a cleaner source of water.

    Arizona reservations are not all rolling in cash from the casino boom. The areas with those high Covid-19 numbers are significantly poorer than any ghetto in the U.S.

    Yes, a second lock down would be awful. Yes it could have even more financial drawbacks than the first because we're already in the hole.

    Best.
  • GrasshopperGrasshopper Member Posts: 17,047 ✭✭✭✭
    No lockdown. Don't do it. Could you imagine IF some nefarious people who despise the USA and see what a virus does to the country and how people react  to same / 
    One question I pose to the people who think the lockdown is necessary. Would there be a lockdown anytime during WW2 while the troops are dying by the thousands and needing equipment, supplies just everything? 
    NO, you can't build that plane cause in the vast majority of cases you get cold symptom's? 
    Our country is in dire need to get back up and get to work, imo only, I am not a lawyer, "Dr. Fauchi"or a clinical rule setter.
  • Butchdog2Butchdog2 Member Posts: 3,834 ✭✭✭✭
    I have said for months we will be seeing a major shut down by mid-October, worse than anything we have seen before.
    I hope I am wrong for the first time in my life(ha, ha)
  • truthfultruthful Member Posts: 2,145 ✭✭✭✭
    Kup,  October needs to be very bad ahead of the election.  It's in the agenda.
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,437 ******
    flattening the curve pushes more and more cases out further. Yup.
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  • bambihunterbambihunter Member Posts: 10,792 ✭✭✭✭
    I was for the lock down the first time. Now, I believe that it is here to stay and agree with the "strengthen the herd" mentality. Mortality rates are way lower than first disclosed, and more people turn out to have basic immunities (asystematic carrier). Our country has been built around credit since the removal of the gold standard and now with most people living on credit and check to check, this will drive America down even further. I work in the financial sector and bankruptcy filings have been on a steady incline, despite limited people to work them. This means at some point there will be a dam burst of bankruptcies.
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  • Nanuq907Nanuq907 Member Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭✭
    If you go to the CDC site and use their data you can pretty quickly run a plot that shows a linearly expanding rate of cases in America.   At the same time the death rate is almost flat.  That pretty clearly shows the death rate is not related to the infections rate.
    Granted, there is a *slight* increase in the death rate.  If those are due to the virus, they are so few they do not justify a shutdown.  "But we have to shutdown!  We have to stop the spread!"  No, we don't.  Look at the chart again.  Either  a) they are not related,  or b) they can be managed.


  • MrMag00MrMag00 Member Posts: 532 ✭✭✭
    rufe-snow said:
    Really scary. Been following this overseas, for a couple weeks now. Not only in England, but it's been happening pretty much all over. Same places that got hit last spring. Seem to be getting hit, with a second wave of the Chinese crud. 

    Probably going to have to have a second lockdown? Personally I've had it with the dam lockdowns. But I don't know what else they can do? Really piss's me off. Want to go places, and do things. But got to stay away from crowds, and people in general to keep from getting it. 

    Navajo county, where I usually summer is a case in point.  They are up to 5,700 positive, and 235 dead from Corona. And it's a remote rural county, that's mostly Indian reservations and national forest.  Can't imagine what will happen? If they get hit with a second  wave?
    Yeah, if they spent the casino money on doctors instead of booze, might not be so bad. 
  • nononsensenononsense Member Posts: 10,928 ✭✭✭✭
    Yeah, if they spent the casino money on doctors instead of booze, might not be so bad.

    Your abyssal ignorance knows no bounds with regard to the Indian Nations located in Arizona. I suggest you broaden your reading by finding the real explanation about the Covid-19 effect on the reservations. The largest areas affected by Covid-19 are located in the most barren regions of the State of Arizona where water is patently absent to the point where it has to be trucked in thereby limiting the use.  There are no casinos because no one will travel there to use them. It's open, arid desert!
    Here are the maps:

    https://www.ndoh.navajo-nsn.gov/COVID-19 

    The information you obviously lack:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/18/navajo-nation-coronavirus-lockdown-arizona 

    Don't make any more uninformed statements like yours above.



  • NeoBlackdogNeoBlackdog Member Posts: 17,299 ✭✭✭✭
    Pokin' the bear is always a good strategy.  
  • nononsensenononsense Member Posts: 10,928 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2020
    Magoo you're done here. Do not post anymore on this topic or start a new one. You have violated the Forum Rules.
    This is your only official warning. Any further comments or posts regarding this will result in a suspension.
    nononsense
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,700 ✭✭✭✭

    Or, just let us live our lives and get the virus if it is to happen. The youth of America are stepping up, as are many others. It is and individualist freedom of choice thing, and it is good.

    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • waltermoewaltermoe Member Posts: 2,428 ✭✭✭✭
    On a lighter side this virus invasion we had this summer has made me redefine priorities and act on them,  such as, always keep a 12 pack of toilet paper stashed away in the closet, and it's good to get chummy with your barber.    
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    waltermoe said:
    On a lighter side this virus invasion we had this summer has made me redefine priorities and act on them,  such as, always keep a 12 pack of toilet paper stashed away in the closet, and it's good to get chummy with your barber.    

    Yea,........the tp is nothing really new to me since I have been buying by the case from Amazon for a couple of years. Usually have enough for several months on hand.

    My barber situation is one where being a good tipper came in handy. All I do is call him at the shop when I'm close by, and if he's empty he puts up his closed sign. If not he calls me back when he's done, and then closes the shop until after he cuts me. Works out good for both of us. Of course I'm sure it helps that I've been going to him for over 20 years, and have fixed his AC multiple times. :D
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    Or, just let us live our lives and get the virus if it is to happen. The youth of America are stepping up, as are many others. It is and individualist freedom of choice thing, and it is good.

    I'll pass Don, but more power to you.

    If I'm going to die for a cause, it's gonna be on a bigger hill than this if I have anything to do with it. Why play Russian roulette just for the sake of being hard-headed, when some simple common sense precautions reduce your odds of infection dramatically? This is one rare time that I agree with Sean Hannity, and that rarely happens. He says he wears a face covering in public to protect others, and I do the same.

    I've been out there in public working everyday since this started,....there was no lock-down for me, but I have treated others with total respect by keeping a safe distance, and through the previously mentioned practice. I have also appreciated when others have done the same, but many have not afforded me that same courtesy.

    Yea,....I guess being not too bright is an individualistic freedom. Unfortunately I don't agree that it's a good thing. To each their own though.

    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • mark christianmark christian Member Posts: 24,443 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2020
    I'm seeing a considerable amount of politics being dragged into these virus threads. I've alerted the moderators to watch for this. 
  • Sam06Sam06 Member Posts: 21,244 ✭✭✭✭
    I've had it and I survived.  I am 60 and in good health with no Pre-existing conditions.  It messed me up but I got over it in about 10 days. 

    I don't think a lock down is going to work and will only hurt the country more than it has been hurt.  I think precautions should be taken especially in hospitals and nursing homes and also by people in the danger zone but most folks should go back to work and get on with their life.

    My wifes company is not going back to the office until next year date unknown.  It is a web based company so its doing fine(They even have GB as a client).

    As far as curbing the spread I don't see how it can be done unless every single person staying in their house for a month or two and the virus ran its course and died out, that is not going to happen.
    RLTW

  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,700 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2020
    Direct ratios going forward are silly, Barzillia, and you know it.
    This virus is picking off the low hanging fruit, but as callous as that sounds, it is obvious in the infection vs. death curves.
    The infection rate is increasing, but is not being followed by a proportional increase in the number of deaths.  To suggest otherwise is simply ignoring the data.  One can pick their chosen explanation, but it is a fact.

    I take precautions due to my personal issues and the people with whom I interact.  
    Imposing those precautions/restrictions upon those with little to no chance of significant problems is selfish and unAmerican.

    If herd immunity did not work for smallpox (as an example) infected blankets given to Native Americans would not have made any difference.  It works, and you, with a medical background should know better than most that it has worked over centuries, does work today, and will work in the future.  You should also understand that vaccinations are nothing more than engineered herd immunity as evidenced by the demand for up-to-date vaccinations for entry into public schools.

    20% will make a difference.  30% will make a greater difference.  Arbitrarily picking 60%, with a false linear death prediction is, frankly, meaningless.




    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • Sam06Sam06 Member Posts: 21,244 ✭✭✭✭
    I have heard that people who die in a hospital and have tested positive for Covid-19 and die, but not necessarily of the Chinese flu have the cause of death on their death certificate as Covid19.  My Mechanic's father was 92 he had a heart attack and died he tested positive for Covid 19 and that was put on his death certificate even though he died from a heart attack.


    RLTW

  • waltermoewaltermoe Member Posts: 2,428 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2020

    So what is herd immunity? Herd immunity is when you have had the virus and got over it, survived! Once you have had the virus you have immunity to it, your body holds and retains the antibodies to fight it in the future if you become exposed to it again. Can a virus mutate? Yes, but not always, this virus has not showed signs of mutating. There are some virus’s that are not able to have a anti vaccine produced, AIDS, Malaria, West Niles the common cold are a couple. Now they say 80% of people don’t even show any signs or symptoms, 15% have only mild symptoms and the remaining 5% show severe symptoms that have under laying conditions, however those 70 and over, the survival rate is still 95%. So as I see it the numbers do not add up and a lot of the deaths have been manufactured. We are talking BILLIONS of dollars if someone can say that they have an anti vaccine for this virus. So yes you have to scare the ship out people to make them believe that if they don’t get the shot to protect them selfs they will die. So it only makes sense to make people believe there is a resurgence of this virus to scare them. Funny, a lot people will make every effort possible to get this anti vaccine shot when it comes out, but will not get a flu shot account of they say it gives them the flu.

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