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Anyone but her!

SoreShoulderSoreShoulder Member Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭
edited September 2020 in Politics
I had an unusual feeling which could have just been a daydream that a certain very important person was looking at me with her mind's eye from a distance, with flattery that I estimated to be insincere.  It was not an actual hallucination of them being in the room, just a slight notion that I was on their mind. 

It persisted for several hours and I even thought I daydreamed that she was sending me kind little bits of advice, taking an interest in the little things I did as I puttered around at home, went to the grocery store, etc.

It got even a little intrusive.  I began wondering what was going on, and what I should do about it.  Someone else seemed to want to advise me to second guess my estimation that the flattery was insincere.  They thought I should ask her out.  

The very moment I even considered the notion, it seemed she noticed what I was thinking, and bam.  Flattery over.  I almost thought I heard her say, "it is too bad you resisted our schoolteacher track."  The oppressive feeling that she was looking at me vanished like a puff of smoke.  

I then felt one of the most powerful women in our community was simply showing everyone else an example of how they are to treat me.  When you realize I didn't donate my career to the Church, all your interest in me and any attention you are showing me must instantly vanish.  

I then remembered I had had the feeling she was investigating my business years before.  She was an important Catholic in a large city near mine and it seemed she had wanted to know why I wouldn't teach for Catholic schools since my career in a different degree field just wasn't getting off the ground.  

I had decided that if they want schoolteachers, let them pay qualified professionals a wage their work is worth, but it would be immoral for me to take their money because I couldn't shake the suspicion that it had been planned for me to not be able to get work in my degree field.  I don't know by whom.  If there is a secret cabal within our church which plans to hold certain people back in order to cheapen their schoolteaching or ministry, they don't advertise themselves.

I had begun to suspect for example that they kept track of who was exploitable and how.  Some party or other at my home parish in another state had, for example, noticed that I was a little obsessive so they steered me toward daydreaming about explaining things with clarity and precision and I wasted many a useful hour obsessing over putting things clearly.  They'd probably be all like "I didn't tell you to practice all the time.  What, do you think I know anything about why you would want to?"

Some "strong Christians" do believe in slavery and may simply be advancing their cause when they try for public office.  

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  • Butchdog2Butchdog2 Member Posts: 3,834 ✭✭✭✭
    Was that a mouth full?
  • Nanuq907Nanuq907 Member Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭✭
    "Anyone" but her???  Sorry, I think I'll support the strong Christian woman who walks the talk.


  • Butchdog2Butchdog2 Member Posts: 3,834 ✭✭✭✭
    She needs to be confirmed just as quickly as possible.
    She may be the last chance for the original constitution.
  • NeoBlackdogNeoBlackdog Member Posts: 17,187 ✭✭✭✭
    I'm no psychologist, SS, but what you're describing sounds a lot like paranoid delusion to me.  

  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,672 ✭✭✭✭

    Picking your own mushrooms requires a little training.

    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • SoreShoulderSoreShoulder Member Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2020
    Nanuq907 said:
    "Anyone" but her???  Sorry, I think I'll support the strong Christian woman who walks the talk.

    Believe some "strong Christians" believe in slavery.

    Edit:  I am not referring to support for the Confederacy but to a practice which I suppose exists unofficially within some churches, which makes sure that some people wind up teaching or doing ministry.
  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,887 ✭✭✭✭
    I am sure that I would heartily approve of what you said, if only I knew what you are talking about.  What you have said was probably as incomprehensible to me as that which we have said sounded to you.
    Neal
    "You may be paranoid, but that doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you."  -----  Neal
  • SoreShoulderSoreShoulder Member Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2020
    Butchdog2 said:
    She may be the last chance for the original constitution.
    I am not sympathetic to the Confederacy or its constitution.

    Edit:  I am only sarcastically referencing the Confederacy.  I am not referring to Christians who support white supremacy or the Confederate states of America but to a practice which I suppose exists, which makes sure that some people wind up teaching or doing ministry.
  • SoreShoulderSoreShoulder Member Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭
    I don't know any of the players involved in the confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh but it all reminds me of this, now that you mention it.   It occurred to one at the time that maybe pressure was kept on the likes of Christine Blasey-Ford to provide services such as schoolteaching services in exchange for protection.  
  • mac10mac10 Member Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭✭
    sorry that post needs psyciatric medication?
  • 4205raymond4205raymond Member Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2020
    Say What ???????????????????????????????
  • Grunt2Grunt2 Member Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭✭
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  • BrookwoodBrookwood Member, Moderator Posts: 13,729 ******
  • Butchdog2Butchdog2 Member Posts: 3,834 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2020
    Right on 84. Ole Abe was not all that against slavery, just happened to be the right fuel for his fire.
    And just for those you might think that I am for slavery you are badly mistaken.

  • SoreShoulderSoreShoulder Member Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2020
    KenK/84Bravo said:Well Bless Your Heart. It is not your fault you were born on the wrong side of the fence. The South did not fight the War of Northern Aggression over Slavery, they fought the War over undue Taxation and the North trying to impose their Will (against the Constitution I might add.) against the South.
    Edit: just to be clear, I only made a sarcastic reference to the Confederate states because I wanted to say "oh, you must mean the Confederate constitution."  But as long as we're talking about it:

     I'm going with they realized they didn't really need the North because they were the side of the country making all the money. 

    Lincoln was not the start of everything.  His personal positions don't prove terribly much about all the people who elected him.
  • jimdeerejimdeere Member, Moderator Posts: 26,155 ******
    edited September 2020
    Civil War discussions usually get poofed. 
  • Butchdog2Butchdog2 Member Posts: 3,834 ✭✭✭✭
  • Nanuq907Nanuq907 Member Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭✭
    Believe some "strong Christians" believe in slavery.
    None that I've ever met, anywhere in the world, over the last 50 years of ministry in music, puppetry, teaching through Vacation Bible School and Bible Study Fellowship.  Not one person, ever, anywhere.  And I've taught in extremely bigoted and racist eskimo communities that HATE the white devil, and they themselves don't believe in subjugating other tribes, while adhering to Christian faith.  It's weird out in the Bush.  Do you have any kind of hard evidence or is it all anecdotal?  
  • SoreShoulderSoreShoulder Member Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2020
    Nanuq907 said:
    Believe some "strong Christians" believe in slavery.
    None that I've ever met, anywhere in the world, over the last 50 years of ministry in music, puppetry, teaching through Vacation Bible School and Bible Study Fellowship.  Not one person, ever, anywhere.  And I've taught in extremely bigoted and racist eskimo communities that HATE the white devil, and they themselves don't believe in subjugating other tribes, while adhering to Christian faith.  It's weird out in the Bush.  Do you have any kind of hard evidence or is it all anecdotal?  
    I am not talking about the Confederacy or the modern practice of actual slavery in, say, African gold mines.  It is my suspicion that some religious school systems may have a "schoolteacher track" which involves leaving key things out of one's education so they go out and fail and get offered a job teaching at a reduced rate.

    I suppose that sometimes the hierarchy of a parish or diocese is lacking in courage because they are financially dependent on the rank and file parishioner.  In some cases they might prefer to kowtow to the needs of their parish instead of exerting leadership based on what they say the Church derives its authority from, i.e. scripture and tradition.

    I suppose that a coalition of the more established families of the parish can start to exert influence which channels other members into tracks which benefit the main families.  The priests can serve to validate the authority of the "core gang" by providing quasi-moral justifications.  For example, there is a teaching that need makes right but it can be abused to mean that if they need lower teaching bills then they are justified in trying to pressure the donation of one's career. 

    They could also  use the bond we all share as members of the same faith, to go around and demonstrate how holdouts are to be treated, such as by showing that when it becomes clear I didn't donate my career, all attention being shown to me must vanish.  
  • jimdeerejimdeere Member, Moderator Posts: 26,155 ******
    Well, ok, then.
  • SoreShoulderSoreShoulder Member Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2020
    I think the Black Sabbath song "The Writ" is about being pressured into ministry by such a system, even though the official version is that it is about the band's relationship with a manager. 

    It's easy to assume that when Tony Iommi tried to be a factory worker, they saw to it that an accident mangled one of his hands, to block him from a secular life and further trap him in ministry, and oh, look at that, they drove them all the way out of the Church.

    Why did they become Satanists?  Perhaps because none of their former friends would speak to them anymore if they didn't donate their lives to ministry in order to apply pressure?  And perhaps the Anglicans around them have an understanding with the Catholics not to interfere?  I don't know if they're even former Catholics but it's easy to assume based on the surname of the lead guitarist.

    Perhaps the core families of their parish did not see these guys becoming a big part of anyone of their lives or contributing in a big enough way, so they were set aside for service?  Perhaps they were experimenting with drugs or alternative lifestyles or something else which rendered them unsuitable in the eyes of the parish to marry and raise kids?  Or perhaps those stumbling blocks were deliberately cast in their path to render them unsuitable for marriage and family so the parish would feel justified in having their way with them?

    The "Faithful image of another man" lyric may refer to their distaste at being required by their parish to act as a stand-in for the Savior, which is what a priest is supposed to be.

    The way I feel is the way I am
    I wish I'd walked before I started to run to you
    Just to you

    What kind of people do you think we are?
    Another joker who's a rock and roll star for you
    Just for you

    The faithful image of another man
    The endless ocean of emotion I swam for you
    Yeah for you

    The shot troopers laying down on the floor
    I wish they'd put an end to my running war with you
    Yeah with you

    Are you metal, are you man?
    You've changed in life since you began
    Yeah began

    Ladies digging gold from you

    Will they still dig now you're through
    Yeah you're through

    You bought and sold me with your lying words
    The voices in the deck that you never heard came through
    Yeah came through

    Your folly finally got to spend with a gun
    A poisoned father who has poisoned his son, that's you
    Yeah that's you

    I beg you please don't let it get any worse
    The anger I once had has turned to a curse on you
    Yeah curse you

    All of the promises that never came true
    You're gonna get what is coming to you, that's true
    Ah, that's true

    Are you Satan, are you man?
    You've changed in life since it began
    It began

    Vultures sucking gold from you
    Will they still suck now you're through

    (Cats, Rats)

    The search is on, so you just better run
    And find yourself another way
    Probably dead, they don't feel a thing
    To keep them living for another day

    (Rats, Rat)

    You are nonentity, you have no destiny
    You are a victim of a thing unknown
    A mantle picture of a stolen soul
    A fornication of your golden throne


  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,672 ✭✭✭✭
    When one wallows in their own crapulance, they do not emerge covered in ulance.

    Not Confucius

    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • BrookwoodBrookwood Member, Moderator Posts: 13,729 ******

    Late Lament

    Breathe deep the gathering gloom
    Watch lights fade from every room
    Bedsitter people look back and lament
    Another day's useless energy is spent
    Impassioned lovers wrestle as one;
    Lonely man cries for love and has none
    New mother picks up and suckles her son
    Senior citizens wish they were young

    Cold-hearted orb that rules the night
    Removes the colours from our sight
    Red is grey is yellow white
    But we decide which is right
    And which is an illusion


    With this quote, I can only add that the world we live in today is ...... ..

  • SoreShoulderSoreShoulder Member Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭
    edited October 2020
    Don't bring me dowwwn, 
    No, No, No, No, No.
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,672 ✭✭✭✭
    Ripple in still water
    When there is no pebble tossed
    Nor wind to blow

    Reach out your hand if your cup be empty
    If your cup is full may it be again
    Let it be known there is a fountain
    That was not made by the hands of men

    There is a road, no simple highway
    Between the dawn and the dark of night
    And if you go no one may follow
    That path is for your steps alone

    Ripple in still water
    When there is no pebble tossed
    Nor wind to blow


    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • SoreShoulderSoreShoulder Member Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2020
    There's only one answer for that attention wandering answer:
    "Ritalin is pretty, Ritalin is good, seems like all it ever wanted was a market."
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,672 ✭✭✭✭
    https://newrepublic.com/article/159512/amy-coney-barrett-wants-felons-guns-not-votes

    The lone dissenting judge was Barrett. In a 38-page dissent, she argued that history and practice from the founding era showed that the Framers did not intend to deny gun ownership to all felons, just those who could be dangerous. “Neither Wisconsin nor the United States has introduced data sufficient to show that disarming all nonviolent felons substantially advances its interest in keeping the public safe,” she wrote. “Nor have they otherwise demonstrated that Kanter himself shows a proclivity for violence. Absent evidence that he either belongs to a dangerous category or bears individual markers of risk, permanently disqualifying Kanter from possessing a gun violates the Second Amendment.”

    Federal appeals courts are bound to follow the Supreme Court’s precedents in any given case. But when it comes to the Second Amendment, those precedents are far from settled. In the 2008 case D.C. v. Heller, the court ruled for the first time that the Second Amendment protected an individual right to bear arms unrelated to any militia function. Two years later, in McDonald v. Chicago, the court held that the Second Amendment’s protections also apply to state laws. The two decisions marked a sea change in how the courts interpreted the right to bear arms and cast doubt on a wide swath of gun-related restrictions nationwide.


    By incorporation through Due Process, Heller and McDonald have transformed the 2nd Amendment (substantially) into a collective right.  In the highlighted section above, Barrett has succinctly expressed the individual liberty ensconced in the 2nd Amendment, and puts her on a much higher plain than her mentor, Scalia.



     

    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • SoreShoulderSoreShoulder Member Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭
    edited October 2020
    What could be the goal for someone to do this if their parents were well off enough to send them to a well-funded private school?  

    What if the voters could throw them out of their job if they didn't get the low cost help they want?

  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,672 ✭✭✭✭
    'Why would someone who was basically well off do this? '


    Are you asking why someone who was basically well off did what you imagined she did based upon your assessment of her motives?

    I am confused here.

    Well someone is confused here.

    Probably me.

    Maybe not.


    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • hillbillehillbille Member Posts: 14,393 ✭✭✭✭


    I am confused here.

    Well someone is confused here.

    Probably me.

    Maybe not.


    you made it farther than me, I was lost after his first post.......
  • NeoBlackdogNeoBlackdog Member Posts: 17,187 ✭✭✭✭
    'Why would someone who was basically well off do this? '


    Are you asking why someone who was basically well off did what you imagined she did based upon your assessment of her motives?

    I am confused here.

    Well someone is confused here.

    Probably me.

    Maybe not.


    Definitely not you , Don!
  • SoreShoulderSoreShoulder Member Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭
    Why would anyone do this?

    If it truly goes on, it may be conducted in order to maintain the thing which brought her to power.
    In 1964 Congress passed a Civil Rights Act which set racial hiring quotas for employers designed to make them hire the same proportion of each race which was present in the community in which a given company operated.

    Remember Thin Lizzie? A rock band, completely from Ireland, which clearly had a black member.
    IMG

    There's people like that all over Europe. I believe some units of the Buffalo Soldiers (19th century African-American cavalry) were assigned uniforms which included pickelhaubes in order to poke a little fun at how black some German people look.

    Anyway, how do you get more of your people to get fine jobs in the big city? Well, if some of them show clear traces of African heritage, then you make sure there's enough money to make room for more black people to get educated and try to get jobs. The ones in the big city already during the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 were qualified for manufacturing jobs, but you don't want those, you want to get in to the industries which support manufacturing. Preferably from a classy office.

    You also know that most adherents to your religion favor a stable family life and obedient children who will study if told because they want to become responsible adults and get married and have a family.

    So you make sure the public education system has more money than it needs by making sure your religion's private schools have teachers at a rate the average person can afford. Especially in light of the fact that the parents will be still together and will get involved and make sure their kids study.

    Soon there are lots more African-Americans vying with whites for college admission, scholarships, jobs, etc. Maybe because of racism or because the public school teachers are in too big a rush to get their money spent and don't do the best job, but not everyone wants them working in their office.

    So they hire the darker European-heritage people because they can credibly claim they're black, thus giving our friend's people a boost. They are then obliged to help the less African-looking of her people and faith.

    Anyway, the point is they got into better schools and fancier jobs by using their blackness. She might have been in a lesser position if she and her people hadn't been able to milk this Affirmative Action thing.

    The role marked out for me was barely paid schoolteacher. I don't know anything about it, but I suspect that before 1996, they were told to collect welfare and were housed in former convents and fed donated food. Some of them were probably recruited from the welfare office, maybe because someone leaned on them like they m ay have done to Blasey-Ford. Those probably mostly taught at schools which were for future schoolteachers, or maybe they were designed to give the more family-oriented church members a leg up over their peers. So the elite families of the church maintain and strengthen their grip on power.

    I sometimes suspect the present unrest is caused by the genetic findings of the last few years, which prove almost all European-heritage people have significant East African DNA, so there is no longer any benefit to forming political coalitions with blacks if you are from one of the European ethnicities which show blackness more. So the blacks lost coalition partners which may formerly have acted as a stabilizing influence which favored less radical reforms.

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