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i know this the rage right no. but after some range work i found my dads old 264 winmag built in 1962 shot better with a variety of ammo, both hand load and factory , while the 6.5 in a sako was a little loose. the 264 will take all non dangerous game on the planet, while the 6.5 takes you
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6.5×55mm Swedish will best the Creedmore and has taken most dangerous game too.
As far as I am concerned, the 338 Win Mag is the best cartridge I have ever hunted with.
The 264 Win Mag is the same cartridge case necked down to .26. That makes it the real king of cartridges (my opinion).
However, the recoil is too much for most people and the excessive killing power is wasted on whitetails and smaller game. IMHO
Did I say this is my opinion?
I'll take 7mmSTW for 500, Alex.
6.5 is great for most all North American game. x55, CM, x47 Lapua, 264 WM. They're all good.
I built a 6.5x47 Lapua a few years back. Sub moa to 1000, which is as far as I shot it.
Don't forget the .256 Newton aka 6.5 - 06 !
The Creedmoor was designed to be a target round, that has been used as a hunting round. IMO, that's fine, as long as people remember that hitting a target at 800-1000 yards is different than actually killing an animal at those distances. The creed is one of the smallest popular 6.5 cases with a case capacity at 54.0 grains, but being that it's a shorter cartridge at 2.825", it can compete at longer distances due to the fact that it shoots long for caliber bullets. I have a Creedmoor in a Bergara chassis rifle, and it is a fun gun to shoot. I recently bought a C/A Mesa rifle in 6.5 PRC, and it looks to be really promising. It is right at 264 Win velocities, but uses 20 grains less powder in a regular length action.. The 6.5's are really fun to play with.
I've had an AR10 in 6.5C for 2 years w/o firing it once. Last month I bought a TC Compass on a whim. Decided I should try them and found both to be "golly gee whiz" accurate. 300 meter 2 shot groups (1 cold bore and a follow up) from shooting stick support are simply amazing.
That said, the trajectory is disappointing. There's only so much one can do with 2800 fps. Compared to my normal hunting round (25/06), the 6.5 C has approx 6-7" more drop at 300 meters. Not an issue if shooting stationary paper at known ranges but considerable diff for real life hunting.
We''ll maybe see how it works on deer soon as our season opens Saturday.
Your 700 in 264 is worth more than most Creedmoor's...
I have a .270 Winchester. I see no need for a 6.5 Creedmore.
Been able to kill everything I have needed dead with some variety of .30 caliber rifle . From 7.62 x39 to 7.62x 54 and everything in between , 308 /30-06 etc for years throw in .270 and 5.56 and 25-06 for good measure . Only thing I really have a hankering for is a .275 rigby or maybe a .257 Weatherby . If going 6.5 I would just opt for the original Swiss version
I don't discriminate, I like all calibers. Bass Pro had T/C Compasses in 6.5 Creedmore for $200ish before everything went nutty. Guaranteed to shoot 1 MOA and it does. Can't beat it for the money.
. Bass Pro had T/C Compasses in 6.5 Creedmore for $200ish
I'd buy 3 more at that price. They're $100 higher now. In this case, it's not so much the cartridge's superiority (there are many choices as good or better) but the combination of price point rifle with some neat features and a cartridge that has it's own set of merits (low recoil for the energy, accuracy potential of the current factory ammo, & a lot of hype in advertising). I can't say the 6.5C is any better than the 260 Rem but it has the following to encourage ammo makers to cater to the crowd.
Same here. The antlers on my wall are my testament.
I’m not saying I wouldn’t mind buying a bolt action in 6.5 creedmore and developing some loads for target shooting.
BINGO!
While the 6.5 Creedmoor seems to be as divisive as the last election, it is certainly not the originator for like/dislikes and massive advertising campaigns.
Enter the .270 Winchester cartridge by Winchester in 1923.
Then give way to the lifelong pursuit of Jack O'Connor to make his name by the massive pushes supporting the .270 Win. He is the sole reason that this Winchester product made any kind of a dent in the public public opinion of rifle cartridges. Period. Without his dedication, hunting stories featuring the .270 Win. or the diatribes launched from the pages of gun rags, the .270 Win. would have languished in a slow but definitive death. Beyond this, he was compensated quite handsomely for his commitment to a cartridge easily matched and beaten by others.
"Fortunately for Winchester, U.S gun writer Jack O'Connor rescued the .270 from obscurity. O’Connor suggested that the .30-06 loads were likely to have been chronographed in extremely long factory test barrels but were unrealistic velocities for sporting rifles. Hunters, generally having no access to a chronograph, relied solely on the factory's word. "
Had the shooters in the U.S. been more accepting of metric cartridges, the 6.5 and the 7mm would have dug an early grave for the .270 Win.
It is basically all of the nostalgia which surrounds O'Connor and the cartridge he pushed at every opportunity.
While the 6.5 Creedmoor has built a fine following as well as a sizable number of detractors, the very same comparisons and complaints can be made for and against every cartridge made.
Enjoy!
Me, I will stick to the 6mm BR and smile. I have lots of SRM primers, lots of cases, bullets from 60 to 107Gr and lots of Varget. What else could a man want? Oh, I do have a 22 BR also that I hand rechambered an Encore 22 Hornet barrel for. It uses the same 6mm BR cases just necked down. Over 4,000 FPS with 10 grains less powder than the 22-250.
I thinned out my high power rifles. One 7.62x39 Ruger Bolt..it will kill deer out to 150. 25/06 Steyr excellent deer / long range varmit. Then the 300 Win Mag with a brake. Recoil is less than the 25/06. You do have to wear hearing protection.
I do not have a line up of high powered rifles to even come close to what some of you have. The rifles I hunt with are two 243 rifles, a 300 wsm, a 270 and a 375 H&H. All of these rifle are lined up 3 inches high at 100 yards. I can shoot them all the same out to 300 yards on deer size game and most of them the same on smaller game as well. Beyond 300 yards things begin to change enough to matter. I seldom shoot at game past 200 yards so it really doesn't matter which one I take. If I had a 6.5 CM it would be lined 3 inches high at 100 yards and I would shoot it the same as these.
I know for you folks that shoot long distances, say 600 yards plus, the differences in velocity, sectional density, ballistic coefficient, etc matters. But for most of us it don't. I just need a rifle that is accurate enough, has enough energy and shoots flat enough for the hunting I do.
I have several different chamberings but when it comes down to it. The old 30-30 would be sufficient in 90%of all my hunting needs and the 30-06 and 22LR will take care of the rest
.280 Ackley Imp.,Mod.70, / .300 Sav., mod.99, / .22LR Marlin 60, / .5.56 NATO Colt AR15, / 9.3x62 FN Mauser covers all my needs.
9.3x62 hasn't been used for several, many years.
Another reason not to jump on the bandwagon , Buyers creep ! New gun means new scope ,new sling etc. New gun means space has run out in safe necessitating purchase of another safe . This also leads to purchase of new reloading dies for new caliber .This of course means buying yet another set or three or 4 molds for rolling my own bullets meaning i need to buy yet more lead . Of course this means new powder purchase as i may not have the preferred powder in stock . Must buy lots of factory ammo to shoot up in order to have something to reload .My 200 dollar or so rifle has morphed into another $1000,00 plus trip to the gun store .[if you leave out the safe that is ]
Not necessarily a bad thing, pulsarnc.
Are you going to point out any negatives?
IMO, the Creed is a great cartridge if it is used for its intended purpose...target shooting. Sure, it can be used for hunting, but it wasn't quite designed for it. How many deer have been shot with a 22lr? It wasn't exactly designed for that purpose, but I'm sure that it has killed some, and wounded some. I like the creed for a long range target/fun gun. Shoots long for caliber bullets a long ways, in a short action, with smaller powder charges. Ethics are the responsibility of the person who pulls the trigger, not what's posted on the internet....
New gun is much like wife buying new shoes . WE all know how that goes 😁
So you're saying there are no good 6.5 bullets designed for hunting?
Two things make a great cartridge.
Confidence in equipment
Confidence in the shooter
Everything else comes in second place
Not at all, the Barnes LRX is a great bullet, along with many others. I was stating my opinion that just because it's a good target round at 1,000 yards doesn't mean that it should be used for hunting at the same distances.
Try: Berger - Extreme Long-Range Bullets at your next turkey shoot.
Good selection of 6.5 target and hunting bullets too.
A bit pricey though.
In the first place, the 6.5 Creedmoor was not created specifically as a target cartridge. It was created as a cartridge period perfectly useable for both pursuits. Initially we used it as a hunting cartridge in order to avoid using the .260 Remington and it’s poor design. We also used it for shooting some targets, especially in PRS matches where it proved to be an excellent choice due to it’s performance capability. It is certainly not one or the other but is a superb dual use cartridge.
And since when can’t a target cartridge be used for hunting? I give you a simple answer, the 6mmBR which entered the world as a target cartridge but has proven it’s mettle in the hunting fields.
The only cartridge I don’t use for hunting is the 6PPC and that’s because I don’t own one and won’t own one. Remember the .300 H&H? Originally designed as a hunting cartridge. Then it was discovered it worked well in 1,000 yard competition.
The quibbling over what the 6.5 Creedmoor is, can be a time waster since it is perfectly qualified for both hunting and target shooting. There is no doubt there, is no question about this. If your only beef is that there are a couple of idiots who try shooting it a game at irresponsible distances, blame every other cartridge that gets misused by poor hunters.
Best.