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Face to face transaction question
cbxjeff
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Indiana allows this type of sale. My question is there a problem if I either sell it to or ask a FFL to transfer it?
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Montana allows F2F sales. the only thing a seller needs to be concerned about is that the buyer is a resident of the state with you. a bill of sale is suggested, with an accompanying form of state issued ID, copies for both parties. NOT REQUIRED but suggested. seller might want to make sure buyer is not prohibited from owning, possessing , or generally having said weapon .if you as a seller has any qualms about the legality of this, nothing precludes you from using an FFL to conduct the sale and transfer.
I agree with you guys, but no states “allow” face to face sales. However, many states, including mine, deny you the right to conduct business as you see fit.
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we are " allowed "( oh thank you for allowing a right )
to do f to f sales all we are "required" is to see a ID that they live in our state
I have heard some want to copy info from a photo ID to cover there butt I have nevber been ask other than to see I am in the same state as they are
. my guess few people will just give that info to any one even just for there records there is always another gun with out the "JR government officer " wanting your info for there files
I have not been to a GS in several years but when I was going such private sales and there were always a lot of tables set up selling off personal collections and walking around the shows seemed to always bring more money over the same gun at a dealer , most feel its not the government business what they buy or sell
JD please explain?????
I'm not Jim, but he is saying it is a constitutional RIGHT to buy/sell property. States that make one jump through a bunch of government hoops to sell/buy property are doing so in violation of the constitution. I agree with Jim.
My state does.
Obviously, it wouldn't be a problem except the buyer may decide he no longer wants it.
Here in Arkansas, if you have no reason to believe the buyer is a felon, under age, or a non resident, you're good.
Several sellers may have asked for a copy of my drivers license. I refrain from buying from them.
FTF trades/sales of long guns are legal here in Missouri, they would prefer that you use an FFL for handgun transfers, but nobody does.
It is your option to request it. If the buyer refuses then they may and I say may have a reason they are buying privately. If they have a conceal carry permit .. they are most likely good to go without a background check. In this day of shootings .. protect yourself on a sale.
A concept missed by many, jimdeere, but incredibly important.
States have power granted to them by the people to deny things and actions to people, not to permit things.
Thank you.
Brad Steele
I have a number of weapons and have sold or gifted a number of weapons that were obtained by me or transferred from me without a paper trail. While I understand the concept of covering one's butt as you recommend, the long term interest of freedom my depend, in part, upon firearms that exist outside any means to track them.
When buying outside an FFL, if a seller wanted to see my driver license, I would show it, but if any information was to be written down, the sale was off. When selling, I asked to see a license that verified residence in my state, and I would ask if there was any legal reason the person could not own the weapon. If I believed his answer, the sale went through with no record of who.
I encourage those of us who live in free states when buying or selling firearms, first look to a purchase or sale that can go through without transfer of identifying information. Each one of these transactions either creates a firearm that government cannot trace, or continues the anonymous life of an existing paper free firearm.
It may not matter today, this decade, or even this generation, but there may be a time where these are the firearms that keep tyranny at bay while we or our descendants work to expose it.
Brad Steele
The seller is being cautious .... what happens if the FFL says no..in which they can.
Don M. You can remove whatever agree/disagree (whatever) you clicked on by simply clicking on it again. (It's actually pretty simple.)
I have sold/traded/acquired a fair number Private Party transactions over many years. No paperwork was ever exchanged/requested. It is still (last I checked) America. Land of the Free.
In our Neighborhood, us Firearms afficianado's, understand that leads to difficulty in tracking Firearms by the Federal Government. Too Bad. That is viewed as a Bonus.
We Buy, Sell, Trade all the time amongst ourselves. If it makes it more difficult to track, that is an added Bonus. Screw Em'.
Most, of the Prior Service individuals I know/was close friends with when I lived up there and it came out, laughed at the NY Safe Act. A dirty little secret is that less than (estimated) 10% complied. 😂
Screw Em'.
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Agree.
I've never understood why some so willingly accept that the government against which such arms would be used if necessary, which is in the final analysis the true reason for the 2nd Amendment, ought to have the authority and power to determine who may possess those arms and what type are held.
So, just hypothetically, you understand, what if you met on a parking lot somewhere far, far from possible cameras and did the exchange, and assuming the other person was not ATF, who would know, who would complain and who would be the wiser? Not that I am advocating anything illegal. In my state I can sell a box of ammo, or give it to a friend without any state involvement. Unlike firearms.😡
Yes guys, I guess I wasn't real clear. I am aware of face/face transactions here can only be done with an IN resident. I always ask for an IN drivers license though I make no notes. My thought is if I take one of these pieces to an FFL and he would happen to check the S/N it would come back to a previous owner that isn't jeff. Would the FFL just refuse to deal with me?
Thanks again guys,
from what i understand all the FFL could find out is if the firearm was listed on some police list as having been stolen, don't believe a FFL can find out who owned the firearm before
if a person doesn't want you to have their info and IF you feel the need for some , just make a note of their license plate number if you can
I don't feel the need to let anyone know about my transactions of selling or buying property unless I have to, to use it like a car.
In almost every case, the FFL does not have the ability to check for a reported stolen gun. They have no way of checking who owned the gun in the past. What they CAN do is determine if the BUYER is a prohibited person.